Regional airlines are doomed!

[Freebrd]

Regionals will be around for quite sometime. American bankrupty will determine if the regionals will be around beyond 'quite sometime'. By this I mean AA mgt will be trying to place larger airframes possibly at Eagle, possibly spread them around to other regionals.

 

[dojetdriver]

And that is why we come to F/I, it the Jerry Springer Show of the interwebs. Oh yeah the Regionals are doomed because the sky is falling and everyone knows that Mainline pilots are the only ones good enough to fly a falling sky.

I just liked that he couldn't deal with the FACT that airlines DON'T have to be in financial duress to give away scope. As evidenced by the pre 9/11 contracts at the legacies.

Especially since UAL contract 2000 opened the door/paved the way for his furlough from UAL.

Ignorance is bliss I guess.......

Regionals will be around for quite sometime

Agreed. Just like the 19 seat tubroprop up to the 50 seat RJ. It will continue to exist. Just not at all on the scale or in the quantities that the BK's stimulated.

We can all hope the regionals, and the RJ's get scaled back, and soon.

 

[79%N1]

It's back! : (

 

[dojetdriver]

Most legacy pilots saw allowing scope concessions for pay became a bad idea quickly, and decided not to do it again after the late 90's.

So that's why the pre 9/11 legacy contracts had scope relief? Big fat pay check for agreeing to MORE RJ's. How can you ignore that FACT?

The next scope allowance came via BK judges, not willingly by the pilot groups.

See above. Scope relief was granted under contracts, BEFORE the BKs.

Which judge mandated scope relief? IIRC, it was voted on by the pilots, NOT taken by the judge. At least in UAL's case.

 

[Flyprdu]

So that's why the pre 9/11 legacy contracts had scope relief? Big fat pay check for agreeing to MORE RJ's. How can you ignore that FACT?



See above. Scope relief was granted under contracts, BEFORE the BKs.

Which judge mandated scope relief? IIRC, it was voted on by the pilots, NOT taken by the judge. At least in UAL's case.

It's a different generation of pilots who are at the majors now. This class has been directly affected by the scope relaxation of the former.

I think it's a "fool me once..." sort of scenario. I would be shocked if the pilot groups went to that well a second time.

 

[dojetdriver]

It's a different generation of pilots who are at the majors now. This class has been directly affected by the scope relaxation of the former.

I think it's a "fool me once..." sort of scenario. I would be shocked if the pilot groups went to that well a second time.

True, at least we hope so.

The fact remains, scope relief ISN'T only given when airlines are under financial duress.

 

[General Lee]

True, at least we hope so.

The fact remains, scope relief ISN'T only given when airlines are under financial duress.

That was the past. Can you give a recent example in the last 5 years of voluntary scope relaxation at the profitable legacies? I don't think UAL has given extra, they are still trying to recover from their BK. CAL didn't allow any jets over 50 seats. The 70/76 seat limit hasn't been increased at Delta. I think that scope is important, but the next round will include Joint Ventures and Codeshares with other airlines, they seem to be growing.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Anybody else notice that OYS gets suspended, and GL just shows back up from a "12 day Asia trip" (unless he works for FDX, or UPS, a joke in itself)? What an amazing "coincidence"!

 

[titans10]

Anybody else notice that OYS gets suspended, and GL just shows back up from a "12 day Asia trip" (unless he works for FDX, or UPS, a joke in itself)? What an amazing "coincidence"!

I believe Delta does have 12 day Asia Trips.

 

[FishandFly]

Isn't it against TOS to be suspended on one account and just go over and use your secondary account?

 

[FishandFly]

Delta also has a pilot with multiple personality disorder.

 

[Varmint]

I believe Delta does have 12 day Asia Trips.

Are they not ex-northwest trips usually done on an airbus or the 747 and not the 767? I have seen multiple Delta A330, 777, 747 all over Asia but typically not the 767.

 

[Freebrd]

That was the past. Bye Bye---General Lee

OMG! This is really hilarious, GL back. But you are correct scope could possibly be reined in by DAL pilots, but what AA does with their scope may prove to be interesting and punch a hole into DAL pilots desire to control scope. Hope not, I'm ready to move on as are many in the regionals. Oh have a fantasic day General!

 

[titans10]

Are they not ex-northwest trips usually done on an airbus or the 747 and not the 767? I have seen multiple Delta A330, 777, 747 all over Asia but typically not the 767.

I dont know about the 767. They might be doing what the 757 and the baby buses use to do at NWA, In and out of Narita(hubbing).

 

[General Lee]

Are they not ex-northwest trips usually done on an airbus or the 747 and not the 767? I have seen multiple Delta A330, 777, 747 all over Asia but typically not the 767.

No, we have a large 757/767 operation in NRT, with 757s doing "interport" service within a 5 hour radius, including Guam, Saipan, Korror (Palau), Seoul, and Pusan. 767s go to Beijing, Shanghai(this month), Hong Kong(this month), Honolulu, and SFO/PDX. There are also nonstops on the 767 from HNL to Nagoya and Fukuoka, and SEA to Beijing and Osaka. Yes, the 744s, 777s, and A330s also fly other routes over there, but the 757/767 flying is quite extensive, routing trips initially and ending trips via SFO/PDX for ATL pilots.


Sorry for the thread creep, just responding to a question.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

OMG! This is really hilarious, GL back. But you are correct scope could possibly be reined in by DAL pilots, but what AA does with their scope may prove to be interesting and punch a hole into DAL pilots desire to control scope. Hope not, I'm ready to move on as are many in the regionals. Oh have a fantasic day General!

Thanks, you too. I haven't heard any request for scope easing, and with the strong profits I don't expect it. AMR had a lot less 70 seaters, which I expect them to get more, but at the same time dump less efficient E135s and E140s. It may be a wash in terms of numbers, but the larger RJs will increase, IMO. I don't think even the judge would go for even larger RJs, probably looking at peer airlines as a baseline.


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[FishandFly]

So general, Do you only shoot for one suspension at any given time or do you have a third personality that allows you to still exist after two?

Off topic I know, but I'm curious.

 

[Freebrd]

Delta also has a pilot with multiple personality disorder.

Oys?GL? and probally another one or three!

 

[SLUF4]

there are actually some asian trips on the 7ER that are 10 days or greater. not that this helps your topic at all

 

[FishandFly]

It will be interesting to see what the moderator thinks about this post of yours. It sure isn't very nice. Three personalities? Only around my wife, and she likes all three.


Bye Bye----General Lee

Yeah... Addressing the fact that you use multiple screen names is ruthless.

I especially like the consistency of your history of posts where you will actually compliment what you yourself just said...

Gen Lee: Here's what I think
3 minutes later: OYS: That's a very intuitive thought GL.

Brilliant.