Referral - want to make some $$$$money

[fly2002]

Thank you bobby

Bobby, I too have enjoyed your posts over the past year. You always seem to come to this board with honesty, maturity and don't mind answering questions of those that don't know. Wish everyone on here was like you.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

The horse that wouldn't die...

Bobby actually seems happy that he has company for his misery.


Anyway, lesson to be learned. Late-life career changes into commercial aviation go up against tough odds. One with 11,000 hours who is 51 will get hired somewhere. One who is 41 with mostly CFI time will have a tougher go of it. I wouldn't call it age discrimination, I'd call it hiring based on standards and desires for company fit. This guy will get hired. My guess is that if Bobby would have stuck with it, he'd be flying for an airline by now as well. Nobody can really say because he quit. I know that sounds like a dig on Bobby, not meant to be, just another view that bears consideration.

 

[bobbysamd]

Re: Thank you bobby

Bobby, I too have enjoyed your posts over the past year. You always seem to come to this board with honesty, maturity and don't mind answering questions of those that don't know. Wish everyone on here was like you.

You bet. Thanks for your kind comments.

 

[bobbysamd]

Misery loves company?

Bobby actually seems happy that he has company for his misery.

It's not a matter of happiness or sadness. Most everyone has doubted what I've said about age discrimination; it's more a matter of being vetted.

Anyway, lesson to be learned. Late-life career changes into commercial aviation go up against tough odds. One with 11,000 hours who is 51 will get hired somewhere. One who is 41 with mostly CFI time will have a tougher go of it.

All this is why when I read posts from potential career changers who are over a certain age that I advise against it, at least from the airline standpoint. That's been part of my message. But when I see someone who is in the same age bracket but appears to have good credentials I almost always encourage that person to keep trying.

I wouldn't call it age discrimination, I'd call it hiring based on standards and desires for company fit.

I have a friend who interviewed with a regional a few years ago. Our birthdays are within days of each other. I have no idea how he found this out, but he learned that he was not hired because of age. Ten years ago, we had lost our jobs at the same company within months of each other. As G-d is my judge, we lost our jobs because of spineless management, not by any act or commission on our parts. I went to paralegal school; he stuck with aviation. He has a ton of time and experience. He now flies single pilot 135 Caravan in New Mexico.

No, it is hiring based on stereotypes, hiring models, a greater interest in having to plow through tons of resumes rather than trying to qualify an applicant with potential, accompanied by ignorance and failure to think outside the box. It is assumed automatically that old dogs cannot be taught new tricks. Or that old dogs won't toe the company line. Or that old dogs want more money. Here again, any questions regarding these shibboleths can be addressed at the interview - if you can get an interview and it is conducted in good faith.

I appreciate everyone's comments on this subject, positive and negative, supportive and not. I hope the original poster will find something he likes.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

There's certainly a degree of validity to all these points.

 

[WrightAvia]

Yeah...those guys have been my captains! Where are they? Flying Cargo for the bottom feeders. 135. Flight Instructing. With tons of hours...bitter.... Some have told me..."they should hire the most qualified" Ahhh....no...they just don't HIRE DI#KS!! I hear these people rant on and on. The road to a 121 job is littered with the bodies of those who never made it that are bitter. Am I an expert? No! Do I see these "dead" bodies every day on my way up the ladder? YES!!! As for the original post....although i'm sure this guys got good intentions lets face it....50 years old in aviation with no aviation buddies too call?....sounds like that "D" word i've been stating. I hope that's not true but reading these posts...well..you can never tell. Take care guys.

I love how all these 1,200 hour career guidence counselors think they will never wind up like all their "bitter" mentors.

Hahaha...dude, till you're drawing your pension at age 60 from a major...you're talking SHlT.

 

[texanpilot]

No, but having 5200 hours makes you "the man." Nice job. You getting a pension?

 

[Dennis Miller]

I don't think I've seen a man this screwed since..............

I have to go back to that guy George Michael kicked out of WHAM.

 

[Freightdog75]

Thread starter:

Get in line with the rest of us $hithead !!

FD75

 

[AKAAB]

Not for sale...

Sorry, recommendations are not for sale. I applaud your attempt to find a solution in a no-win scenario, but I'd suggest you direct your efforts to finding that one person that might know you at JB, and cultivate your relationship. Otherwise, offering to buy an inside track is unethical and is directly against the JB values.

Safety, Caring, INTEGRITY, Fun, Passion - learn them and live them!

Good Luck!

AKAAB