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[katanabob]

From tach32:
However, as it stands, me being a young slender female, a lot of pilots (I’m sure it’s because of their wives) turn their heads or tell me I’m not allowed when I show up at the airport and ask to ride along.

Geez, you must be hanging around the wrong airports. I'd go to great lengths to get a young, slender female in my right seat. (As would most of the pilots anywhere I've flown) Maybe there's something in the water where you live?

 

[tach32]

If it's not only the wives that say no (and it usually is) it is the passengers/owners that say no because they are taking their girlfriends for a short ride or trip/ vacation, whatever, and are afraid that I will tell on them. Who cares! Immoral, yes, but any of my business, no. When I started flying three years ago, I was told it would be easy for me in this profession because I was a female but they never said it would be difficult because of appearance. I guess this is a perfect example for that thread that was start: The Girl or The Plane...

 

[Beechnut]

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[hyper]

from your profile: "BE200, BE300, BE350, ASTRA" IMO with 1500hrs and time in all of that equipment as well as having owned your own twin, you're gonna have a hard time with people feeling your pain here. I know a ton of people in the bus, have 2400 hrs and have yet to log an hour of turbine time. I mean you no disrespect in anyway, but you're sitting much better than most.

 

[MarineGrunt]

tach32-
However, as it stands, me being a young slender female, a lot of pilots (I’m sure it’s because of their wives) turn their heads or tell me I’m not allowed when I show up at the airport and ask to ride along.
Why hasn't a slender young female ever asked to fly with me **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**IT!!!

 

[avbug]

Tach 32,

You sound like a girl with a chip on her shoulder...you sound like the stereotypical female pilot.

Now, I have nothing against women flying, any more than I do men. It was you that felt the need to introduce gender. I had no idea that you were white, black, female, or male. Didn't matter, don't care. But it does to you. (Just for the record, I'm a slightly short, approaching-middle aged ugly male with dirty red hair, bad teeth, and lots of former broken bones).

I'm not going to pounce on the gender issue, because as I stated, it's a non-issue. However, don't try to raise sympathy based on that, or your merits of buying time, or the claim that you're paying your dues. You may think you are, but think again. You're doing what you can, because you have the means to do so.

As far as I'm concerned, I might feel that you're paying your dues when y ou're slogging it out eating noodles and jello, because you can afford nothing else. You're flying for next to nothing in nasty icy weather delivering boxes for no significant money, no respect, and in airplanes that really invite the carriage of a parachute. Or flying into a tangle of powerlines with a load of Furadan. Or one of many different jobs. No, you're not paying your dues. You're buying your dues, and there IS a difference.

I don't care that you're female. I don't care that most places I've worked, males needed 4,000 hours to get the same job that females did at 900. That's someone else's problem (yours?); I have my own to worry about. Things such as how I'm going to eat, or put gas in my car...let alone paying for an airline ticket somewhere to fly for free in someone else's airplane. It's a luxury I never had, nor do most folks here. Come to think of it, it's a luxury I still don't have, and I've been doing this for a while now.

When I was looking to fly every chance I got, I bicycled the fifteen miles to the airport in the winter to beg for rides, or wash airplanes in unheated hangars. I couldn't afford coveralls, nor could I afford a car or even gas. Perhaps we all pay our dues in different ways. I wouldn't trade a minute of mine, nor an hour of the flying I've done. Much of the flying involved some very intense extreme type flying that was worth likely five hundred hours of straight-and-level experience for every hour flown. I have also seen many of my co-workers killed on the job. I've put out the fires on their wreckage, I've pulled out bodies, I've attended their funerals, and raged at the conditions that put them there. I have yet to pay my dues...but I'm still working on it.

Pick up a copy of Trade A Plane, and find a banner job if you like. The jobs are out there. You seem dead-set against flight instruction, and based on your attitude, I'd strongly recommend that you steer clear of flight instruction in order to protect the integrity of the profession. Personally, I find it a very honorable activity. Presently I have a student staying in the hangar with me for a couple of weeks, getting his instrument rating...and I'll take every chance to instruct that I can. Just because it's enjoyable and a great way to share flying.

"the fact that I work hard at acquiring the knowledge and the ability to have my flights end with no added statistics to the NTSB is plain GREAT! "

Are you honestly saying that your standard of success on a flight is not crashing or getting killed? Shoot for a higher standard; after all, it's the only professional thing to do. Most everybody on this board fully intends to complete every flight without adding to accident statistics. Surely there must be more.

Lose the attitude and you'll go much farther. You feel it's difficult because of your appearance. You may not realize this, but we can't see you. You want to build time fast, but bristle when you're told to build experience, rather than time. You have Kingair and Astra experience at fifteen hundred hours, but you're looking for a banner job to build time, because you want to do anything but instruct. You buy your own airplane and regular airline tickets but know all about paying your dues. You are indeed a conundrum, Ms. Tach. I wish the best of luck to you, but in reciprocation to your comments, I hope you're never my FO.

 

[tach32]

Avbug,
I no way was I bashing you. I appreciate your opinions; I was simply asking if anyone knew of any opportunities. I know that those jobs of flying cargo/checks, whatever do exist.
The reason I have King Air time is because my old flight instructor, someone gracious (like you helping out that kid with his instrument rating) offered me the opportunity to fly with him. And you bet I took it to my advantage! I am not asking for your sympathy!
The reason I go to Texas is because of an old flight instructor offering me the opportunity to take his trips, unpaid, blah blah blah. I fly out there for free and on standby by using airline passes from my parents, who work in the industry.
The fact that you stated you don't "see" who you’re flying with means a lot about the quality of person you are, but let’s face it, not everyone thinks like you! A lot of men do look with their other body parts, a great example, read the thread: a girl or the plane...
I have had to prove myself and thus far have been successful, but I'm not going to lie and say that there are not pigs out there who only want one thing for you to show appreciation for letting you fly with them. AND you better believe I'll keep turning my back to them time and time again! That is not how I want to pay my dues! I would rather work hard for my time instead of "writing it in your logbook", or sleeping with someone! Gender was never an issue to me until it was brought up our few fellow pilots that they "don't fly with females!" And yes, I have been told that many of times.
I recently was interviewing with a couple of airlines and I was simply trying to make time pass by without making any commitments until I hear back from them and that was the reason for my post, if anyone knew of any opportunities.

 

[FlyinBrian]

Whether you realize it or not, you have a HUGE chip on your shoulder. In fact, I'm surprised you don't have more difficulty walking. If you have 1500 hours, turbine time and scads of multi, you are in great shape. If you don't get the job, it's because you interviewed poorly. If you interviewed poorly, it is probably because you were wearing that monstrous chip.

 

[Speedtree]

Think About it.

Why are you flying a KingAir for free. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Sounds like it is costing you money. Where I come from we don't pay to work we get paid to.

 

[avbug]

I have had to prove myself and thus far have been successful, but I'm not going to lie and say that there are not pigs out there who only want one thing for you to show appreciation for letting you fly with them. AND you better believe I'll keep turning my back to them time and time again! That is not how I want to pay my dues! I would rather work hard for my time instead of "writing it in your logbook", or sleeping with someone! Gender was never an issue to me until it was brought up our few fellow pilots that they "don't fly with females!" And yes, I have been told that many of times.

Tach,

The operative phrase in that posting is "I would rather work hard for my time." That's exactly what I would hope to hear you say, and I'm glad to hear you say it.

Hours mean nothing, but the rewards you reap from experience pay big dividends. Experience is inseperably linked to effort; hard work does yield experience by the sheer power of dedication and attention to the project at hand.

It is evident to me, as this thread unravels (or continues), that you are not trying to shirk work, nor are you looking for the easy way out. You are looking for a way to establish yourself, to develop the background or experience you need or desire; you're looking for something and are not afraid to put forth the effort to get it. For that, you are to be commended.

Pick up a copy of Trade A Plane to start with. That's a great source of help wanted information. For the internet end of things, I suggest the following URLs, some of which may not be entirely current right now:

http://www.avcrew.com/jobs/pilots/index.htm

http://www.climbto350.com/climbto350_aviation_jobs_board.cfm

http://www.aviationemployment.com/job-listings/list-jobs.cgi

http://www.corporatepilot.com/jobspage.html

http://findapilot.com/joblist.htm

http://www.pilotshack.com/guestlog.htm

http://www.jetcareers.com/

http://www.aviationemployment.com/job-listings/list-jobs.cgi

http://www.jetsafety.com/airlinepilot.htm

http://www.rishworth.co.nz/content/positions.html

http://willflyforfood.webjump.com/

http://willflyforfood.terrashare.com/

http://www.robinsfyi.com/aviation/employment/employment.htm

http://www.cageconsulting.com/books.html

http://www.aviationinterviews.com/

http://www.propilot.com/doc/bbs/

http://www.skywestpilot.com/interview/bbs/

http://www.pprune.org/

http://forums.flightinfo.com/user/list.asp?forumid=6

http://forums.flightinfo.com/user/list.asp?forumid=4

http://www.fracstats.com/

http://www.ejapilots.com/

http://www.wmi.cban.com/

http://airlinepilots.com/