Recent DUI

[DashCojones]

Diesel <----A guy who's fraternity brother got killed by a drunk driver.

And I'm sure your frat buddy would appreciate your "shifting gears and drinking beers" profile.

...Serves to highlight the hypocrisy of this board.

 

[FN FAL]

Couldn't agree more.. In this day in age it's not like anyone can claim that it's not a great way to kill a complete stranger...

Signed,
h25b <------A guy whose wife was nearly killed by a drunk driver and is thousands of dollars in debt because we are still paying out of our own pocket for ongoing surgeries because not only was the a$$hole drunk, we was also uninsured and pi$$ poor...

Sorry, but I could really give 2 squats if you ever get to fly for a living...

You were uninsured? Hahahahahahaahah...go flick your self, we pay insurance just in case we get run into by one of you VW driving democrats. See you in court.

 

[LJDRVR]

Voytek,

Give thanks every day that you did not kill or injure anybody, including yourself.

Instead of sweating out the career implications of your offense, might I suggest that you get some professional help for yourself. An attitide of victimhood over the fact your conviction now prevents you from driving after even one or two beers is astounding. That you would avoid such an activity based on a desire to avoid prosecution, instead of a desire to obey the law and be safe would seem to indicate to me that you may have some unresolved issues with alcohol that will continue to effect you adversly until you seek treatment.

If there's anything you take away with you from all of these posts, please think about this: You've got much more important and pressing problems to deal with than your flying career. How you chose to handle these will have a profound effect on your safety and that of others.

You've got no idea how lucky you are to be alive and to have not killed anybody.

 

[Ride Orange]

I know a guy who recently was hired by Air Wis with 600TT 50ME with a recent DUI while a flight instructor (and openly admitted it at his interview). They don't seem to care. Although that seems odd as they fly into Canada and that is an issue in and off itself.

 

[Diesel]

Shifting gears and drinking bears is a quote from an old movie I saw. It's in the same theme as convoy and smoky and the bandit. A different time you could say, for me it's the absurdness of the statement.

My FRATERNITY brother, not Frat brother was killed by a guy coming out of a bar going the wrong way down a two lane road. My friend didn't have a chance.

So no i have no respect for this guy. He's trying to get out of it and minimize his impact in his future. That's his choice. This isn't something that happened to him he did it to himself.

Harsh yes- but listening to these stories brought up a lot of old memories you don't think about every day.

 

[cforst513]

Repeat after me: "Responsible...responsible."

You are, and should be, held responsible for your irresponsible decision.
.

exactly. responsibility.


what ever happened to being held accountable for your actions? all this talk of getting a lawyer and getting out of a DUI makes me sick!!! so you're telling him as long as he has the money to buy his way out of punishment, he'll be ok? WTF, people? what if he had killed someone? should he try to get out of that? what if your wife and baby were in the car that he just destroyed? what if that was her blood all over the pavement? what if your baby was now a quadriplegic? never even had a fighting chance. should he then get a lawyer and try to get off with reckless driving or some other lesser charge? the mentality of you guys saying "you have to get out of it" is the reason that we have wastes of flesh with 14 DUI's. if the system actually worked like it should, that asshole woulda been locked up for GOOD 10 DUI's ago. i have no sympathy for you. am i perfect? no. am i an idiot? at times, yes. but am i responsible and can i be held accountable for my actions? you're dang right. i don't mean to preach, b/c it sounds like i am, but driving drunk is just one thing i have no tolerance for. you can't ever give me an excuse that would justify your decision.

 

[rfa]

Internet forums, sheesh

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It could have happened to most of us on this board. Keep in mind all it takes is two beers - well, three if you count american water, err, beer.

Never drove after two?

Well, chances are your voice still cracks (one poster comes to mind here), you are a phoney self righteous forum type (got to love the internet), or you are an all around swell guy! (and something tells me the chances of you being the later are slim).

That does not make it right in any shape or form, but I hope you see what I am getting at.

 

[Road Rash]

I don't think I'm getting to far off the topic here, but here is my two cents.

My grandfather was killed by a speeding truck that hit him from behind. A very sad sad day. I myself have received a couple of speeding tickets myself. Does this mean that I am responsable for all the poeple killed by speeding moterist. I think not.

The best advice on this thread is to get some help, profesional help both legally and other if you think you need it.

 

[h25b]

You were uninsured? Hahahahahahaahah...go flick your self, we pay insurance just in case we get run into by one of you VW driving democrats. See you in court.

So exactly who was it that made you the expert on insurance coverages, because you obviously don't have a f'n clue.. ???

No, it was before we were married and she was insured to which her coverage of course ended up paying for all of the initial hospital bills and care. Now many years later when one of the rods used to put her arm back together has to come out after having received a small settlement barely enough to cover the cost of replacing her car, my insurance (at the time, I no longer work at this place for this reason) refuses to cover the costs because there is a small clause in their coverage that says they don't cover for injuries in which the patient has received monetary damages...

So, please don't run your mouth off and go "flick" yourself... I doubt you'll run in to many people more insured than I am pal. 2 Large life policies, loss of medical, disability, very high liability/low deductible auto, etc..., etc...

My point, to which you are most likely too ingnorant to understand is the act of DUI causes damages to which the victim could very possibly never be properly insured for. So please, don't preach to me about what you obviously don't have the least clue about sir...

 

[Stealthh21]

You know what some of you forget is all it takes is a beer or two. Then you jump in your car, drive down the street and forget to use your turn signal. You get pulled over and the cop can smell just a little hint of alcohol on your breath. Breath machine then boom DUI. All you did to get pulled over is forget to use your turn signal. It doesn't take much to get a DUI. Give the guy a break. Unless you are him, someone in the car, or the arresting officer all you can offer is an advice for recovery so he can move on with his life.

just my opinion.

stealthh

 

[Rotorhead1]

If you feed the monkey you have to watch him sh%t. You get out on the road after have a few drinks and you get your a$$ caught it is your falult. If you would drive after drinking what would keep you from getting in the cockpit after a few drinks.

 

[FN FAL]

So exactly who was it that made you the expert on insurance coverages, because you obviously don't have a f'n clue.. ???

No, it was before we were married and she was insured to which her coverage of course ended up paying for all of the initial hospital bills and care. Now many years later when one of the rods used to put her arm back together has to come out after having received a small settlement barely enough to cover the cost of replacing her car, my insurance (at the time, I no longer work at this place for this reason) refuses to cover the costs because there is a small clause in their coverage that says they don't cover for injuries in which the patient has received monetary damages...

So, please don't run your mouth off and go "flick" yourself... I doubt you'll run in to many people more insured than I am pal. 2 Large life policies, loss of medical, disability, very high liability/low deductible auto, etc..., etc...

My point, to which you are most likely too ingnorant to understand is the act of DUI causes damages to which the victim could very possibly never be properly insured for. So please, don't preach to me about what you obviously don't have the least clue about sir...

It sounded like you were driving a car without insurance...my bad. Sorry about your wife's injury, my wife was rear ended by a guy in a pickup truck and the civil trial was interesting. Although she didn't suffer as bad as your wife did, the accident was a reality check.

I think the driver was probably drinking, but it's water under the bridge now.

 

[h25b]

I think the driver was probably drinking, but it's water under the bridge now.

In my particular case, it's never going to be "water under the bridge..." We are looking at having to have all of the hardware that's left in her other arm and both legs removed as well.

 

[FN FAL]

In my particular case, it's never going to be "water under the bridge..." We are looking at having to have all of the hardware that's left in her other arm and both legs removed as well.

That sucks.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

You know what some of you forget is all it takes is a beer or two. Then you jump in your car, drive down the street and forget to use your turn signal. You get pulled over and the cop can smell just a little hint of alcohol on your breath. Breath machine then boom DUI. All you did to get pulled over is forget to use your turn signal. It doesn't take much to get a DUI. Give the guy a break. Unless you are him, someone in the car, or the arresting officer all you can offer is an advice for recovery so he can move on with his life.

just my opinion.

stealthh

It dosen't take a "beer or two" to get a DWI. You have to be drunk. Think you're not and you're FINE to drive? you might have an alcohol problem.

MOST (note most) of the time it means that you drink and drive often, and finally got caught. Having 6 or 7 beers and driving became normal to you. I rememeber hitting bars, drinking for hours with buddies, then thinking "eh, Im fine"...far from looking back at it. From those silly charts that said after 5-6 beers I was over the limit?...heck, I thought they were WAY off.

Im no saint here, got lucky many times when younger, but a "beer or two" wont do it.

As you can see from here, its just not acceptable anymore. I guess thats a good thing.

We are not here to judge the guy, he F'd up. He's just looking how to minimize the impact on his career, so lets give him that.

 

[FN FAL]

It dosen't take a "beer or two" to get a DWI. You have to be drunk.

For some that's all it will take, especially when you consider body mass, being tired, using medication, hydration and other physiological factors. But in all fairness, to get a DUI/DWI nowdays, all you need to show is the .08 BAC. That's impaired, not drunk.

I was over at the CDC website yesterday and while reading their page I noticed the careful use of the phrase "drinking driver" and "impaired". No where on their page did they use the words "drunk driver".

 

[buscap]

get a lawyer

As a CRJ Captain, my advice is to get the best lawyer you can, one who specializes in this. It takes about a year to make it go away, but it can be done. The only DUI's I have seen stick are those in which the perp didn't want to spend the time or cash. If you want to fly, you have to spend the time and cash.

It generally runs 2 to 5 grand from what I've seen. And remember, until you plea or are found guilty, it didn't happen.

This advice comes out the "other side of my mouth". I've seen so many successfully fought, it scares me. I am in favor of tough DUI enforcement and you should be ashamed of yourself. Live. Learn. Do better.

 

[Bdfg1]

As a CRJ Captain,

Glad to know you have good advise. Anything other than advice "as a CRJ Captain", he'd be really screwed. You seem to have saved him.

 

[FN FAL]

As a CRJ Captain, my advice is to get the best lawyer you can, one who specializes in this. It takes about a year to make it go away, but it can be done. The only DUI's I have seen stick are those in which the perp didn't want to spend the time or cash. If you want to fly, you have to spend the time and cash.

It generally runs 2 to 5 grand from what I've seen. And remember, until you plea or are found guilty, it didn't happen.

This advice comes out the "other side of my mouth". I've seen so many successfully fought, it scares me. I am in favor of tough DUI enforcement and you should be ashamed of yourself. Live. Learn. Do better.

Which is kind of funny, because in our state, in a second offense arrest for DUI they can forceablly take a blood sample. It seems that the breathalyser is a risky proposition for conviction, so they want to ensure that they get a blood sample from you. It appears that they could only get the law passed for second offense arrests, because the people wouldn't stand for cops beating citizens into submitting a blood sample on first offense arrests.

 

[Starlizard]

Never ever have i driven after drinking more than one beer.

So, drinking just one beer and then going driving is OK. You hypocrite.

 

[FN FAL]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Forced blood tests allowed to stand[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Wisconsin ruling says Fourth Amendment not violated[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Tuesday, January 18, 2005 Posted: 10:56 AM EST (1556 GMT)[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court declined to consider Tuesday whether a police officer may take a blood test from a suspected drunken driver without a warrant.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Justices let stand a Wisconsin Supreme Court ruling that said a forced blood test would not violate the driver's Fourth Amendment protection from unreasonable searches, even if the driver already had submitted to a breath test.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The lower court reasoned that police's urgent need to obtain reliable evidence before alcohol dissipates from a driver's bloodstream justified a warrantless blood test.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The case stems from a traffic stop in February 2002. Police stopped Jacob Faust and gave him a preliminary breath test that showed a 0.13 blood alcohol content.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Faust also gave a second breath test at the police department. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]That test showed a blood alcohol content of 0.09, just above the 0.08 limit Faust was to adhere to because he had two prior drunken driving convictions.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Police then took a blood test from Faust at a hospital without his consent. That test showed a 0.10 level.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The trial court granted Faust's motion to suppress the results of the blood test after he argued there was no urgent need to justify the blood draw without a warrant.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But the Wisconsin Supreme Court disagreed, ruling that police had a right since they can't predict whether a breath test will be found reliable in court.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The case is Faust v. Wisconsin, 04-471.[/FONT]

 

[QUAG]

I'd like to start out by saying I'm with the majority here, you screwed up, own up to it, get help if you need it and move on. I'm not going to pass judgment without knowing the specifics.
One thing to consider once you have paid the big bucks to have the DUI downgraded to a careless or wiped out completely, is this....

First, the arrest record never goes away, and a potential 121 carrier will see "arrested for DUI" when they run the required checks. Happened to a "friend", he was pulled out of indoc to explain why he lied about the DUI, even though all charges were dropped and he was never convicted.

Second, most states, if not all, have an implied consent law, which means you lose your license, very shortly after the initial arrest. Even if you fight the suspension at an implied consent hearing, and win, meaning the suspension is rescinded, think about how you would answer certain questions in an interview, or check certain boxes on an application.

Basically what I am getting at is that no matter how much you spend to get things off your record, the only safe option for future interviews is to be 100% honest. Saying "I screwed up, and take full responsibility for my actions, and have learned, and am a better person for it.....but really it isn't a DWI because the court threw it out" isn't going to fly. -Good luck

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

Randy Davis is the attorney that works for Phoenix Air. He does very good work on these kind of cases. In fact he specializes in these kind of things.

 

[fieldinsight]

Went to canada this weekend with a guy that had a oui. They wouldn't let him in. It was a lonely ride home for him. (We kept on going) Canada doesn't mess around.

You'll also need to hire another lawyer to get you through the rehab process with the Canadians, or nobody will touch you. The arrest alone is enough to aloow the Canadians to deny entry to you.

 

[DashCojones]

You'll also need to hire another lawyer to get you through the rehab process with the Canadians, or nobody will touch you. The arrest alone is enough to aloow the Canadians to deny entry to you.

Canada...when are we gonna annex them? Err....at least the non-French part?

 

[Stealthh21]

It dosen't take a "beer or two" to get a DWI. You have to be drunk. Think you're not and you're FINE to drive? you might have an alcohol problem.

Sorry disagree. Yes you can get a DUI after a beer or two. If you weiagh say 150 lbs and you drink 2 beers with in an hour, you could be over the legal limit. What is a definition of "Drunk?" Drunk is a state of mind. You get a DUI for the alcohol level in your blood. And you can get pulled over for many other reasons besides swirving, or driving really slow, or left of center or whatever.

 

[AAflyer]

Don't let them charge you with a DUI. Get a lawyer. Try to bring it down to a reckless driving. That will give you more chances...

BINGO,

Did not read all the other posts, but pay the money! You can most likely plea it down to Reckless driving. You will probably pay $3-5K but it will most likely protect your future.

AA

 

[Guitar rocker]

Voytek, it's not the end of the world dude. I cant remembre after going through these threads, but if you havent been convicted, as others have said, get a really good lawyer. I do know someone who recently got a DUI.....he hired a Private investigator, got a good lawyer and the judge threw it all out.........as for his drivers license, that phase has yet to be determined. The grounds for dismissing the charge was that there was no physical way that the cop could have seen my buddy make an illegal turn from the cops stated position. Cost about 4k, but was worth it for him. This one skinny chk I know also got a DUI.........after just one beer. She wound up with a diversion. Get a good lawyer if you havent yet been convicted.

 

[murfdawg998]

You'll also need to hire another lawyer to get you through the rehab process with the Canadians, or nobody will touch you. The arrest alone is enough to aloow the Canadians to deny entry to you.

I've tried looking into this because I find it interesting but haven't had much luck thus far...Is this policy uniform throughout the country or does it only apply to certain provinces? They consider DWI a felony...a DWI conviction from my understanding is enough to be denied entry. But what about DUI, DWAI, etc. Does Canadian customs view these as felonies and thus deny entry to those that have them? Thanks for any help in advance.

 

[mamba20]

Pres bush did get a DUI and look where it got him? He not only runs the free world he's destroyed it.