Recent DUI

[Rotorhead1]

I think we are missing the big picture. Getting a DUI is a result of doing something real stupid. If you drive drunk you will be caught and you must pay the price. Somebody will chime in and try to marginalize that ever body at one time has drove drunk. That don't make it right. You might have a drinking problem and should get professional help. Until then a "professional" instructor would remove himself from the cockpit seek professional help with a serious problem and find another line of work. I don't want a pilot what has a DUI flying an aircraft until he has undergone treatment and has several years of sobriety behind him or her. I don't care if it's Part 91. 121, 135. You are responsible for you actions.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Dam.n I feel like I'm arguing with a 14 year old. What should this guy do? Kill himself? He made a common mistake, and he'll pay for it--believe me, he will.

You talk in absolutes--"No pilots don't drink and drive anymore." Do you even work for an airline? How can YOU talk for all pilots? Sweeping statements are the sign of a poor intellect.

Your statements that he will get stuck in a low-end career for 20 years because of a DUI are simply not accuarate. I can only believe you are not very experienced to think this.

You seem to have a bone to pick, I suggest you do it in a field that you know something about.

I'm done with this thread.

dont go away mad!

sorry, employers dont view DWIs as "common mistakes". You gotta get over that concept. DWIs tag you as irresponsible and possibly an alcoholic. Two things sorta against you in the aviation interview process.

they will symapthize with you, say they understand, but 99 times out of 100, they wont hire you. A LOT has changed in the last 20 years. overkill? possibly, but these are the rules today.

thats all we are saying. We aren't here to give him a goddam hug. Hugs dont pay the bills and buy nice $hit, good jobs do....and good jobs dont get had today with DWIs.

welcome to reality.

 

[FN FAL]

...If you drive drunk you will be caught and you must pay the price. Somebody will chime in and try to marginalize that ever body at one time has drove drunk.

What's drunk? Can you define drunkeness driving? The reason I am asking, is because the original poster did not get a "drunk driving" ticket, so I just want to make sure we are all talking about the same thing.

 

[Rotorhead1]

I have 700 TT and 100 Multi and I just received DUI a week ago.

Was what was stated in the original post. DUI is Driving Under the Influence or aka Drunk driving.

 

[FN FAL]

I have 700 TT and 100 Multi and I just received DUI a week ago.

Was what was stated in the original post. DUI is Driving Under the Influence or aka Drunk driving.

No biggie, people what don't know any better make the world go round.

 

[FlyHIToo]

Even if you aren't found guilty you must report to the FAA! If your licensce was suspended after your DUI you have to send a letter within 60 Days to the FAA about the suspension. Also you will have to disclose on your medical about it.
Good Article in a Flying Mag. about a guy that wasn't convicted of a DUI and didn't disclose to the FAA and on his Medical. Led to a 30 Day Suspension of Medical and License.
Don't sweat it too bad.... The First one is kinda like a Freebie. The next was you are toast.
Get a good Lawyer like the above said. Even if he is pricey it will be worth trying to get out of the DUI, but don't forget to self-disclose about it.
http://asi.faa.gov/duidwi/report.htm

This guy is WRONG.....

You DO NOT have to notifiy the FAA under CFR 14 61.15 untill 60 days of the CONVICTION.... "Under 14 CFR 61.15, all pilots are required to submit a notification letter to AMC-700, within 60 calendar days of the effective date of an alcohol-related conviction or administrative action. For purposes of 14 CFR 61.15(c), alcohol-related convictions or administrative actions are referred to as motor vehicle actions (MVA)."

People on here are PILOTS and FAR FAR from LAWYERS. Do NOT take advice from people on here other than the ones that say hire a lawyer.

 

[FN FAL]

This guy is WRONG.....

You DO NOT have to notifiy the FAA under CFR 14 61.15 untill 60 days of the CONVICTION.... "Under 14 CFR 61.15, all pilots are required to submit a notification letter to AMC-700, within 60 calendar days of the effective date of an alcohol-related conviction or administrative action. For purposes of 14 CFR 61.15(c), alcohol-related convictions or administrative actions are referred to as motor vehicle actions (MVA)."

People on here are PILOTS and FAR FAR from LAWYERS. Do NOT take advice from people on here other than the ones that say hire a lawyer.

And here is where you are wrong, when you get arrested for dui, the cops release you with a pink piece of paper that they call a "reciept" for your license.

This piece of paper is in reality a "notice to suspend or revoke" and once you are served with this piece of paper you have about two weeks to request an administrative hearing where you can attempt to keep your license from being "suspended or revoked" until your court date.

So, when the officer hands you your "notice to suspend or revoke", the administrative action occurs about two weeks later when the adminstrative court looks at the notice and agrees to suspend or revoke your license. That is when an "administrative action" has occured.

You may attend this administrative hearing and ask them not to suspend or revoke you until you have had your day in court at the DUI trial. There may be some that will find an advantage in this delay and there will be some that will not.

 

[hawk996]

You have to report it on your medical question 18V. Your Drivers license is the one the FAA is asking you about. You also need to report it to OKC within 60 days. Don't let the word Conviction get you in trouble your drivers license already has the charge and suspenion attached to it and the FAA check the National Drivers Reg. all the time.

We had a great guy at our company get a DWI and he called ALPA and they walked him through the process.

Call the FSDO asap or call OKC if you have any questions. Don't listen to anyone on this board, call and the get the facts from the FAA right now. If you want to stay in the airline business call the FAA. Our buddy did and has had no problem with getting a new job or any issue with the FAA.

 

[SiuDude]

Procedures vary by state.

And here is where you are wrong, when you get arrested for dui, the cops release you with a pink piece of paper that they call a "reciept" for your license.

This piece of paper is in reality a "notice to suspend or revoke" and once you are served with this piece of paper you have about two weeks to request an administrative hearing where you can attempt to keep your license from being "suspended or revoked" until your court date.

So, when the officer hands you your "notice to suspend or revoke", the administrative action occurs about two weeks later when the adminstrative court looks at the notice and agrees to suspend or revoke your license. That is when an "administrative action" has occured.

You may attend this administrative hearing and ask them not to suspend or revoke you until you have had your day in court at the DUI trial. There may be some that will find an advantage in this delay and there will be some that will not.

 

[i fly boxes]

you are not finished

I have 700 TT and 100 Multi and I just received DUI a week ago. I am currently a flight instructor and my goal is airlines. I know that DUI is a huge burden on my record (it was a very stupid mistake that I will never do again) and I have small chances to get hired with regionals or even majors. The question that I have is if I should keep on trying and applying and hope for a lock to get hired or should I wait few years and keep my record clean and they try to get hired. I gues what I'm asking for is if I apply now and get rejected do I have less chances to get hired later on as if I didn't apply at all with the specific regional?

You made a mistake, but everyone makes mistakes. Your career is not over. thisi is what you need to do. You need to apply to Canada and get what is called a temporary residence permit. It is a very lengthy process so get started on it right away and be honest with them, tell them you screwed up. After you get this you will be able to enter and exit canada as you please. Canada considers a dui a felony so you can't enter canada legally if you have a dui. There are a couple airlines out there that will hire you. Skywest, mesa, pinnacle will do it as long as its only one. Don't even try at asa, and at mesaba you have to be clean for 5 years. The biggest thing for you to do is to get your resident permit from canada and keep building those hours. If you want it bad enough you will eventually get something.

 

[silverfish]

I never post here, but nonstop, that was f'ing halarious.

 

[oceandude]

I know a bunch of people flying for regionals with a DUI. Its going to be tougher but, not out of this world.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I hear Mesa prefers that you have a DUI. It shows that you will get the job done no matter how tired or messed up you might be.

 

[Axel]

It is hard to find sympathy for a self-inflicted wound. You chose to drive after ingesting a substance which an appointed officer of the law determined had impaired your ability to do so, and are now trying to skulk away from the consequences of his bad decision making. Someone's wife and children are lucky this was the only consequence of your deliberate actions.

Repeat after me: "Responsible...responsible."

You are, and should be, held responsible for your irresponsible decision.

I truly wish you the best of luck, but the fact is that you, and only you, screwed up. And if it follows you for the rest of your life, including the scuttling of your aviation career, you have only yourself to blame. Count yourself (and some innocent stranger) lucky there is not a vehicular homicide charge to deal with as well.

 

[oceandude]

Look!! We have all made mistakes in life!! The guy seems to be sorry. Lets all get off our soap boxes!! I am not saying it was a smart thing to do but, the guy came here asking advice. Lets not all be such schmucks!

 

[pianoman]

I don't think at any point he wrote that he wasn't guilty or shirked responsibility for his actions.

He's doing what any person would do- accepting what happened and figuring out how to move forward.

If this is what it took to teach a "never again" lesson, at least no one got hurt.

 

[FN FAL]

Procedures vary by state.

That's a true statement. However, the only difference that I could see between states, would be that the state doesn't take your license until you are convicted...which would be the point where you'd have to report.

Texas has the program...

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/driver_licensing_control/alr.htm

California has the program...

First: You only have a limited time to request a hearing with the Department of Motor Vehicles to avoid automatically losing your license. In California, that time limit is 10 days from the date of your arrest to request a DMV hearing. Other states have different deadlines. It is critical that you contact a qualified DUI or DWI lawyer in your state as soon as possible to avoid the automatic loss of your driving privileges. In California, if you miss that deadline, you have waived your right to a hearing, and your license will automatically be suspended after 30 days, period. Do not miss this deadline! By filing the hearing request (and I do it by fax for all my clients, to prove it was done on time), your driving privileges are not suspended after 30 days. Instead, you are allowed to drive as if the DUI arrest never happened, until and unless you lose the DMV hearing, which will be scheduled for months away; this loss may not happen at all, as a skilled DUI lawyer will generally win better than half of their DMV Hearings. If a loss at the DMV is unavoidable, a lawyer can help with the timing of any suspension so it is least disruptive to your life, or help you get a restricted license to drive for work.

 

[FN FAL]

Don't listen to anyone on this board...

You're speaking in circles, first you doled out advice on this board, then you stated that you shouldn't listen to it.

 

[cforst513]

I have 700 TT and 100 Multi and I just received DUI a week ago. I am currently a flight instructor and my goal is airlines. I know that DUI is a huge burden on my record (it was a very stupid mistake that I will never do again) and I have small chances to get hired with regionals or even majors. The question that I have is if I should keep on trying and applying and hope for a lock to get hired or should I wait few years and keep my record clean and they try to get hired. I gues what I'm asking for is if I apply now and get rejected do I have less chances to get hired later on as if I didn't apply at all with the specific regional?

you stupid fark. you don't deserve to share the skies or roads with me. i can't stand dumbasses like yourself.

 

[FN FAL]

No due process in America? I love it...when do the witch dunkings begin?

 

[Voytek]

Thanks for those that gave me all the good advices.
I know that I Fu[ked very bad up and I will take all the responsibility for it. It is a tough lesson that I have learned, and I am sure I will keep learning it to the rest of my live. For those of you out there that don't have DUI's - Don't get one. Don't drink and drive. You can maybe drive after 1 or 2 beers, but no more. I, on the other hand, can NOT even do that now because if I get cought again then it is the end of the story for me.
For those of you that bashed me for it, well maybe I deserve it, maybe not. I am going to pay for it some other ways (lawyer, money, lost time, aa activities, bad record - which all of those I totaly deserve) so save some space on this thread.

Thanks again.

 

[rfa]

you stupid Frick. you don't deserve to share the skies or roads with me. i can't stand dumbasses like yourself.

You know, two beers can get you a DUI. Did you ever drive after two beers?

I sure did.

...and so did 99.9999% of all the people sharing the road and sky with you.

Unless you know the details, kindly STFU.

 

[cforst513]

You know, two beers can get you a DUI. Did you ever drive after two beers?

I sure did.

...and so did 99.9999% of all the people sharing the road and sky with you.

Unless you know the details, kindly STFU.

then you and 99.9999% of the people sharing the road and sky with me are no better than he is. i had an 11 year old cousin on a bike get killed by a drunk driver in the middle of the day. i have no patience for fools as stupid as this. there was no reason for her to die that day b/c an irresponsible dumbass felt the need to drive home. there's no excuse. whenever we go out, we ALWAYS have a DD or call a cab. always. i can't tell you how many times i've ridden my bike to whatever bar or restaurant i left my car at to pick it up before work the following morning. i don't need details. he got a DUI. blood alcohol levels don't lie. so you can kindly shut the fark up.

 

[cforst513]

Thanks for those that gave me all the good advices.
I know that I Fu[ked very bad up and I will take all the responsibility for it. It is a tough lesson that I have learned, and I am sure I will keep learning it to the rest of my live. For those of you out there that don't have DUI's - Don't get one. Don't drink and drive. You can maybe drive after 1 or 2 beers, but no more. I, on the other hand, can NOT even do that now because if I get cought again then it is the end of the story for me.
For those of you that bashed me for it, well maybe I deserve it, maybe not. I am going to pay for it some other ways (lawyer, money, lost time, aa activities, bad record - which all of those I totaly deserve) so save some space on this thread.

Thanks again.

bro, just be smarter next time. how hard is it to shell out $30 for a cab or to call and wake someone up? it's not worth losing your license, your flying privileges or killing someone, ya know? at least you know what you did was wrong. a lot of idiots won't even admit it.

 

[FN FAL]

...i had an 11 year old cousin on a bike get killed by a drunk driver in the middle of the day...

Why did you have her killed?

 

[Voytek]

i had an 11 year old cousin on a bike get killed by a drunk driver in the middle of the day.

I am sorry for that, and you have a right to oppose any drinking and driving with all the power that you have, and I agree with you that any drinking (even if it is one beer) is not a good idea at all, but at the other hand your 11 year old cousin could be killed by a sober driver as well. I am not trying to defend drinking and driving by all means, just something to think about.
Thanks for your imput though.

 

[FN FAL]

I am sorry for that, and you have a right to oppose any drinking and driving with all the power that you have, and I agree with you that any drinking (even if it is one beer) is not a good idea at all, but at the other hand your 11 year old cousin could be killed by a sober driver as well. I am not trying to defend drinking and driving by all means, just something to think about.
Thanks for your imput though.

Yea, but you're guilty of all the "alcohol related" deaths by proxy. Even though you probably only blew a .08 and was stopped because you didn't use a turn signal.

 

[DashCojones]

At the very least this thread should remind everyone to not drink and drive.

As others have said, get it behind you, don't do it again, and don't give up on applying. I've known a few who went through this and, overall, they learned a great deal from it.

 

[FCPhotography]

I know a few guys at Pinnacle that had DUI's before they got hired.

I know a few furloughed I Air guys that got rehired with DUI's recently.


I would get out of the industry regardless!

 

[h25b]

Way to go idiot. No really having a couple of beers was really a smart thing to do and get in a car. What if you'd killed someone? Oh that's right you didn't. But how many times did you drive drunk before you finally got caught?

Went to canada this weekend with a guy that had a oui. They wouldn't let him in. It was a lonely ride home for him. (We kept on going) Canada doesn't mess around.

I'm not going to wish you good luck. You're screwed... if your smart you'll get a lawyer but i doubt youll allready do that since a bunch of time has passed.

Diesel <----A guy who's fraternity brother got killed by a drunk driver.

Couldn't agree more.. In this day in age it's not like anyone can claim that it's not a great way to kill a complete stranger...

Signed,
h25b <------A guy whose wife was nearly killed by a drunk driver and is thousands of dollars in debt because we are still paying out of our own pocket for ongoing surgeries because not only was the a$$hole drunk, we was also uninsured and pi$$ poor...

Sorry, but I could really give 2 squats if you ever get to fly for a living...