Recall Rights

[Tonto]

Can someone tell me what it means to loose your "Recall rights"? Does it mean you will never be recalled and are off the seniority list? Or will you still be recalled but have lost some other rights? Basically will furloughed USAir pilots be recalled if the merger goes through because of the LOA that MEC signed? Please respond only if you know, just don't guess; that does me no good.
Thanks

 

[737 Pylt]

Can someone tell me what it means to loose your "Recall rights"?

Well, if they're loose, they better get tightened up! You don't want them getting lost!
737
I had to!

 

[ultrarunner]

The answer to your first question is fairly easy...when you have lost your recall-rights, you have no jobs rights, and the company has no obligation to bring you back. You're done.

As to the second question, NO determination has been made as to the fate of the U pilots on furlough. The AWA and U MEC's have 100 days to sort it out amongst themselves before it goes to mediation, with will be binding.

IMO, I would expect those on U furthough to be dropped from the seniority list.

 

[TWA Dude]

The AWA and U MEC's have 100 days to sort it out amongst themselves before it goes to mediation, with will be binding.

I thought it was 150 days but I could be wrong. In any case, just to clarify, the clock won't start until the deal is closed which isn't expected until September at the soonest.

IMO, I would expect those on U furthough to be dropped from the seniority list.

I sincerely hope you're wrong because that would be a travesty. From the Company's point of view I'm sure they'd like to drop the furloughees to avoid paying their 15-year payrates but it's not their call; it's up to the unions. I wouldn't expect AWALPA to try to drop them so why would USALPA?

 

[ultrarunner]

I thought it was 150 days but I could be wrong. In any case, just to clarify, the clock won't start until the deal is closed which isn't expected until September at the soonest.I sincerely hope you're wrong because that would be a travesty. From the Company's point of view I'm sure they'd like to drop the furloughees to avoid paying their 15-year payrates but it's not their call; it's up to the unions. I wouldn't expect AWALPA to try to drop them so why would USALPA?

I think it's 100 days from the time the deal is "announced". If no deal after 100 days of MEC bantering, it then goes to the mediator who has 50 days to issue their mandate.

 

[BeCareful!]

I think it's 100 days from the time the deal is "announced". If no deal after 100 days of MEC bantering, it then goes to the mediator who has 50 days to issue their mandate.

Really? What if the deal isn't even done in 100 days?

I think the "announcement" date has nothing to do with it. The deal isn't even approved yet.

 

[BeCareful!]

IMO, I would expect those on U furthough to be dropped from the seniority list.

Not that I know who you are, who you think you are, nor do I value your opinion that much, but.......

Why would you "expect" this?

 

[ultrarunner]

Not that I know who you are, who you think you are, nor do I value your opinion that much, but.......

Why would you "expect" this?

Just don't have that much faith in ALPA. Maybe I'm mis-guided.

 

[ultrarunner]

Just don't have that much faith in ALPA. Maybe I'm mis-guided.

For some reason, I thought it was from announcement date. But you're right, I suppose it would make sense once it's approved.

Thought I read that it was from announcement date.

I'm sure someone will chime in that has the wording.

 

[Crzipilot]

So there isn't anymore guessing or conjuncture as to what happens, these are some excerpts which explain what will happen etc. basically from the PID date a ruling from the arbitrator will be made with 150days of the PID date. Prior to that the two sides have about 60-100 days to negotiate a list. If you want to read the whole thing It's in the ALPA administrative manual: Sec 45.


Policy Initiation Date (PID) means the date on which the respective MEC Chairmen and the Executive Council determine that a reasonable probability of a merger being​

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consummated exists or the date on which the Executive Council determines that a reasonable probability of a merger being consummated exists, whichever is earlier. Seniority list integration procedures will commence on the Policy Initiation Date.(AMENDED - Executive Board May 1998)
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1. The merger representatives of the affected airlines shall meet and commence efforts to arrive at a mutually satisfactory method of integration and compilation of a single acceptable flight deck crew member seniority list no later than sixty (60) days following the Policy Initiation Date.

c. Arbitration shall be mandatory if, within one hundred (100) days from the Policy Initiation Date, negotiations have not resulted in an integrated flight deck crewmember seniority list. (AMENDED - Executive Board October 1991; Executive BoardMay 1998)
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a. The Opinion and Award of the Arbitration Board shall be made and written in executive session and shall bear the signature of the Arbitrator (Chairman of the Arbitration Board). Such Opinion and Award shall be issued simultaneously and within fifty (50) days following the convening of said Arbitration Board unless extensions are agreed to by all parties to the proceeding, including the President. Participation in executive sessions shall be limited to Arbitration Board members only and the Arbitrator shall decide all issues. (AMENDED - Executive Board May 1998;Executive Board October 2001)
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