QX sim ride - What would you have done

[DrewBlows]

I guess this would have been okay, but it would have been better to do the procedure turn to lose altitude, and to be better positioned for the approach, and not to mention to get the job! I guess maybe they were seeing if you would opt for the procedure turn to be better positioned.

Ha ha! I don't know if the procedure turn would have gotten me the job or not, like I said before the whole performance was pretty miserable. I'm more concerned with what will get me the job next time (assuming they are nice enough to interview me again, I think they are).

 

[Rotate140]

...I'm still amazed you didn't know where the VOR was located in Walla Walla. That part of the sim eval should have been a no-brainer. Additionally, you should have better prepared for the interview. If you really want a job with Horizon then spending some money/time would have paid off during your sim eval. Quit pointing your finger at the person who did your sim eval and whether they were right or wrong about flying the approach. Nobody is going to be holding your hand when your flying that exact approach into Pendleton at night, IMC with 37 people on board.


From what I've read you fell short of the 'bar' that horizon has set for potential pilot candidates. Learn from YOUR mistakes, get some real life experience and training and see if they will let you try it again.

 

[Singlecoil]

I'll ask again, if you were inbound on the LOC and wanted to do the published procedure turn, how would you go about accomplishing it? Would you do a teardrop between the LOM and the airport? I am not trying to argue, I just can't think of a good way to do it. The more opinions the better.

At the LOM, turn right to a heading of 115 and intercept the loc outbound.

 

[Flooder305]

Bottom line here is, you don't. Period. It will never happen in real life. You do your turn at your discretion on the protected side of course. It's legal it's simple you land. End of story. Anything else is a waste of gas, time etc. You've got an airline to run.....

The AIM reference is 5-4-8 a.1.

 

[turbodriver]

I'll ask again, if you were inbound on the LOC and wanted to do the published procedure turn, how would you go about accomplishing it? Would you do a teardrop between the LOM and the airport? I am not trying to argue, I just can't think of a good way to do it. The more opinions the better.

You're making this a LOT more difficult than it has to be. If you're already inbound on the LOC but not yet at the FAF/Outer marker when cleared for the approach, pass the OM and do a 180 (on the protected side) and reintercept the LOC at a 30 degree angle and track it outbound. Fly for a minute or so and fly the 45 degree procedure turn as depecticed on the plate. Then you should be able to intercept the GS without having to dive for it.

In real life, do whatever course reversal you want. However, this being an interview situation, do everything as stated on the plate. That way, the person conducting the ride wont be surprised. You don't want them thinking "what is he trying to do?"

And by the way, if you had that hard of a time just holding heading and altitude, that did you in a lot more than which course reversal you performed on the ILS. We do a lot of IFR stuff in the NW with the cascades and the ice that goes along with it and they don't want anybody who can't fly on the guages.

 

[atrdriver]

The only time that a specedic procedure is required for a procedure turn is if it is published as a hold. If it's a barb you can use any type of procedure turn you want to.

 

[Flooder305]

You're making this a LOT more difficult than it has to be. If you're already inbound on the LOC but not yet at the FAF/Outer marker when cleared for the approach, pass the OM and do a 180 (on the protected side) and reintercept the LOC at a 30 degree angle for the outbound. Fly for a minute or so and fly the 45 degree procedure turn as depecticed on the plate. Then you should be able to intercept the GS without having to dive for it.

Wrong That's not a 180 now is it?

You're trying to make sound simple in text what is actually more difficult in practice.Why would you do something more difficult in an interview just because it may "look" that way on the plate? K.I.S.S. principle. If you're already established in the hold continue with how you're doing it, don't change it up just because it might look pretty.....

 

[FlyingFerris]

You're making this a LOT more difficult than it has to be. If you're already inbound on the LOC but not yet at the FAF/Outer marker when cleared for the approach, pass the OM and do a 180 (on the protected side) and reintercept the LOC at a 30 degree angle for the outbound. Fly for a minute or so and fly the 45 degree procedure turn as depecticed on the plate. Then you should be able to intercept the GS without having to dive for it.

Wow, a 180 degree turn followed by a 30 degree turns sounds exactly like the teardrop reversal he talked about. Did the reading/comprehend unit fail, or just trying to be a internet tough guy?

 

[DrewBlows]

Thanks for the responses guys. It took a while, but I finally got some negative responses, that might be a new flight info record.

I'm NOT try to point the finger at anyone but myself, I just wanted some feedback. I'll freely admit to anyone who asks that I can't fly a FRASCA worth a damn. I haven't flown a FRASCA (or a single pilot) in many years, and didn't have time to get any time in one before my interview, that was a mistake. Since I'm being furloughed in January that won't be a problem again.

Please don't insult me by saying I can't fly instruments. You don't know me, you haven't flown with me, it was rude, and unnecessary.

If I'm fortunate enough to get another interview opportunity, I know what I will do. Believe it or not, some of your opinions helped, which is actually more than I hoped for.

 

[class55]

Hey Drewblows, I respect that you ask for help. Better luck next time.

 

[DrewBlows]

Thanks.

 

[rgnlwannabe]

Thanks for the responses guys. It took a while, but I finally got some negative responses, that might be a new flight info record.

I'm NOT try to point the finger at anyone but myself, I just wanted some feedback. I'll freely admit to anyone who asks that I can't fly a FRASCA worth a dang. I haven't flown a FRASCA (or a single pilot) in many years, and didn't have time to get any time in one before my interview, that was a mistake. Since I'm being furloughed in January that won't be a problem again.

Please don't insult me by saying I can't fly instruments. You don't know me, you haven't flown with me, it was rude, and unnecessary.

If I'm fortunate enough to get another interview opportunity, I know what I will do. Believe it or not, some of your opinions helped, which is actually more than I hoped for.

I am sorry you did not get the job. The sim ride is probably the most important part of the interview (as you probably have found out). If you are able to get yourself another interview, I would recommend going to Boing field in Seattle, and getting a couple hours in the sim there, and I believe they have the profile. The Frasca is not like flying a normal airplane, it is more like taming a wild animal. Keep sending your resume, they like persistence, and good luck next time.

 

[dashtrash]

...I'm still amazed you didn't know where the VOR was located in Walla Walla. That part of the sim eval should have been a no-brainer. Additionally, you should have better prepared for the interview. If you really want a job with Horizon then spending some money/time would have paid off during your sim eval. Quit pointing your finger at the person who did your sim eval and whether they were right or wrong about flying the approach. Nobody is going to be holding your hand when your flying that exact approach into Pendleton at night, IMC with 37 people on board.


From what I've read you fell short of the 'bar' that horizon has set for potential pilot candidates. Learn from YOUR mistakes.......

You must be the tool that called the FAA over a fish box. Go back on leave.

 

[Ben Franklin]

I had a hard time holding a precise heading and altitude, missed a few radio calls, and was generally uncomfortable with the single pilot IFR situation.

Remind me to never put my family on any plane that you are piloting.

Burger King in New Orleans is handing out $1,500.00 signing bonuses to handle their meat. Perhaps you should try a different career?


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[ReverseSensing]

Remind me to never put my family on any plane that you are piloting.

Burger King in New Orleans is handing out $1,500.00 signing bonuses to handle their meat. Perhaps you should try a different career?


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

Really classy, pal. You feel better?