Question for those applying to NWA,UAL,DAl

[Idiot Police]

These airlines got rid of a bunch of guys, then cut pay and compensation to an unbearable level. So unbearable that, when recalled, many of these guys would not return. But you guys come running with bells on. Doesnt that make you, at best, replacement workers? Isnt there another name for that?

 

[CRJ_Driver]

These airlines got rid of a bunch of guys, then cut pay and compensation to an unbearable level. So unbearable that, when recalled, many of these guys would not return. But you guys come running with bells on. Doesnt that make you, at best, replacement workers? Isnt there another name for that?

Capitalism?

No, it doesn't make them replacement workers. When a guy doesn't return, it's like turning down a job offer for something better.

Unfortunately, there is something better than a good ol' Legacy or major as they used to be called.

 

[C-17 Driver]

These airlines got rid of a bunch of guys, then cut pay and compensation to an unbearable level. So unbearable that, when recalled, many of these guys would not return. But you guys come running with bells on. Doesnt that make you, at best, replacement workers? Isnt there another name for that?

That sure seems like an accusatory question, kind of like asking "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

I am not running with bells on and no, I am not a scab. I did 10+ years of Active Duty Air Force and have recently separated and have joined the ranks of the AF Reserve. Many of my fellow military pilots are getting hired and I do not see any of them as "replacement workers." It just so happens that many of us are available to get out of the military and are taking advantage of the hiring. If my AF commitment were up back in 2002-2004ish, I probably would have signed the AF pilot bonus and stayed in for 20. That is not the case because at the time that I was available to get out, the airlines (majors and major LCC's) are on the upswing. Do you still think people like me are "replacement workers?"

Please clarify your question because it sure seems that you are lumping everyone in as scabs.

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Or how about the possibility that even though things are not great at the legacies right now, they are still far better than the current operations we fly for?????

 

[John Pennekamp]

That sure seems like an accusatory question, kind of like asking "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

I am not running with bells on and no, I am not a scab. I did 10+ years of Active Duty Air Force and have recently separated and have joined the ranks of the AF Reserve. Many of my fellow military pilots are getting hired and I do not see any of them as "replacement workers." It just so happens that many of us are available to get out of the military and are taking advantage of the hiring. If my AF commitment were up back in 2002-2004ish, I probably would have signed the AF pilot bonus and stayed in for 20. That is not the case because at the time that I was available to get out, the airlines (majors and major LCC's) are on the upswing. Do you still think people like me are "replacement workers?"

Please clarify your question because it sure seems that you are lumping everyone in as scabs.

A little off topic, but why do you military guys always feel compelled to read us your resume?

 

[Lear70]

Just read Idiot Police's profile under his avatar. It explains everything in his post.

DAL is a different animal - most of their pilots ACCEPTED recall. We lost quite a few back to NWA, not so many to UAL.

I wouldn't blame a regional guy looking into one of those airlines and taking a gamble, especially if he/she was at one of the regionals with relatively crappy QOL.

Leave a LCC like JB or AAI for NWA or UAL? I wouldn't, but that's my personal choice based on how their pilots are being treated right now and the loss of not ONLY pay for the first few years, but QOL to an intolerably-low level.

Your mileage may vary... :beer:

 

[C-17 Driver]

A little off topic, but why do you military guys always feel compelled to read us your resume?

Saying that I did 10 years in the military is equivalent to giving you a resume? I'm not going to get in a pissing contest of military vs. civilian. Bernoulli treats us all the same.

Back on topic. I read other posts from Idiot Police and I wish I read them before my original post because I would not have wasted my time with a response.

Thanks Lear...prior LJ35 driver myself..

 

[DrewBlows]

Saying that I did 10 years in the military is equivalent to giving you a resume? I'm not going to get in a pissing contest of military vs. civilian. Bernoulli treats us all the same.

I think his point is, if your background were, say, a regional airline, you wouldn't say "I did 10+ years at a regional airline and have recently separated. Many of my fellow regional pilots are getting hired and I do not see any of them as "replacement workers." That sounds silly, but you see it a lot from military pilots.

I understand you are proud of your military service and thank you for it, but if you don't want to be the punchline to the old joke 'how do you know when a military pilot walks in a room?', you may want to keep a lower profile.

 

[Networ-King]

I think his point is, if your background were, say, a regional airline, you wouldn't say "I did 10+ years at a regional airline and have recently separated. Many of my fellow regional pilots are getting hired and I do not see any of them as "replacement workers." That sounds silly, but you see it a lot from military pilots.

I understand you are proud of your military service and thank you for it, but if you don't want to be the punchline to the old joke 'how do you know when a military pilot walks in a room?', you may want to keep a lower profile.

Thanks alot you d!ck, I just spewed coffee on my computer, through my nose, reading your funny a s s post.......

Now leave these military guys alone, so they can get hired at the airlines and mil out for the first year cause first year pay sucks........

 

[Bill Mostellar]

A little off topic, but why do you military guys always feel compelled to read us your resume?

I didn't read it as giving his resume.

Since all military pilots incur a 8 to 10 year commitment, he was explaining why he wasn't able to get out in the 2002-2004 time frame.

I don't know of any Commuter airline that has a similar commitment.

I wish you success!
William
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