Question for pinnacle people

[KFpilot]

Just heard from someone that Pinnacle is hiring street Captains.
Said he started as an FO and while in training upgraded to Capt. Is this true? Just curious..

 

[walshsfly]

not anymore newest upgrade out list 500 #'s current new hiers are gettin 1100#'s no more quick upgrade

 

[flaps30]

uh?

Is that English ?
Dude, use the edit button.

 

[V-STALL]

Had this happen to a friend of mine just about 3 weeks ago. He said that he rolled the dice to leave another "commuter" to build the PIC time he needed to move up and on. While he was in training a bid came out, and he was one of the few pilots who was able to hold Capt. after all the pilots above him bid.

Just heard from someone that Pinnacle is hiring street Captains.
Said he started as an FO and while in training upgraded to Capt. Is this true? Just curious..

 

[KFpilot]

same here...unless if it is the same guy.

I know someone that got fired from one airline and then hired at Pinnacle. He said his class was alot of furloughed Inde guys and that half way through training they told them all they were Captains.
I would just like to know from someone if this is true.....

 

[PCL_128]

If you come to PCL expecting to be offered a CA bid, then you stand a good chance of being VERY disappointed. I and lots of other former GIA pilots are all coming up on the 3000 hr upgrade requirement very soon. That means that all of us in the 400-600 seniority range will be getting the slots for the next few months. After that I doubt there will be much upgrading at all, certainly not for the 1100+ seniority numbers. Last airplane arrives in August and attrition is pretty light. If you get hired now, expect a very long upgrade. Probably 5-7 years down the line. I know I've said it a million times before, but I'll say it again: DON'T COME TO PINNACLE UNLESS YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO!!!!

 

[KFpilot]

no..I am not coming to Pinnacle. I have a job as a Capt. I was just curious to the reality of this person. Like I said...he got fired from my current company for some pretty big issues as an FO. Now he says he is a Capt at Pinnacle. I am just trying to see if this is true or not.

 

[Speedbird34]

This is for KFpilot. The pilot you are talking about was me. offered a choice between resigning and been terminated after failing a proficiency check following diffrences training on the CRJ 700. I told them to go ahead and terminated me. I was not given a chance to do a recheck as required by the contract.
I was represented by the union during the meeting with the manager of flight standards. The union filed a grievance on my behalf and thanked me for having the courage to bring this matter to their attention.
I am not a bad pilot. I made a mistake failed a PC check and I accepted full responsibility for the failure. I was totally truthful about it in my interveiws. Both companies who interveiwed me were very supportive of me. I had very strong refrences from pilots who had flown with in my previous jobs. They felt I had been treated unfairly. You do not fire a pilot who has been flying the line succesfully for failing one check without given him a recheck.
I proofed myself here doing excellently in the training which is much harder than what we did at PSA. I passed my type ride on first attempt which speaks for my ability as a pilot.
Listening to your comments I see why I got fired from PSA. KFPILOT was my sim captain at PSA and must have had a field day bashing my reputation. I was loyal to her much to the disgust of most of my classmates who held her in very low esteem. Felt she was a gulfstream academy grad and did not know what she was doing. If she looks at my past posts she will see that I made a strong defence for Gulfstream grads using her as an example of what they can achieve.
She needs to get her facts right before she starts yapping about stuff. I flew with her once and I was not critical of her lack of knowledge as regards the systems in the airplane when we had a minor malfunction.
PSA had a black recruiter who hired a few qualified minorities most who had in excess of 5000 hrs like myself. After he left PSA to work elsewhere with a lot of encouragement and I believe quite some support from people like KFPILOT here quite a few of those minorities have lost their jobs making them feel a little bit witch hunted. But mostly it has just been more experience pilots expecting miracles from 1000 hr pilots and just complaining too much about normal short comings. I was one of the best first officers at PSA as far a flying the airplane goes. training was tough, OE was tough but a learned the airplane quickly as is expected of a pilot of my experience. For KFPILOT that is her first PIC position. I already had 1000 hrs turbine PIC before I even got to fly for PSA.
Again my performance speaks for itself. Believe it Karen I am a Captain at NWAIRLINK!!
I am happy about my contributions to PSA Pilots since the event with me no other person has been fired under the same circumstances. The union put a stop to that injustice!
My case is still pending and I am been strongly represented by ALPA. It is a case they are very confident of winning.
KFPILOT is just a basket case and I now understand why most of our mutual classmates at PSA have always wondered why I even stick up for her when they begin bashing how disorganise she looks and presents herself.
I have to learn to call a spade a spade!

 

[EL10]

Summer aircraft deliveries have been deferred until fall. This last vacancy 05-03 will be reduced when the final is posted.

 

[KFpilot]

well, since you want to start bashing, that is fine...say what you want.
I know what happened and it wasn't too long ago when you were thanking me for helping you get through training.
As far as the PIC goes..I do have quite a bit of PIC. This is my first time as a Captain though.....just as it is yours.
I know my experience, my system knowledge, and my reputation..it doesn't bother me one bit what you say.
I do wish you well....I would still like to know though, are they hiring street captains as I have a few friends that would be interested.

 

[Heavy Set]

well, since you want to start bashing, that is fine...say what you want.
I know what happened and it wasn't too long ago when you were thanking me for helping you get through training.
As far as the PIC goes..I do have quite a bit of PIC. This is my first time as a Captain though.....just as it is yours.
I know my experience, my system knowledge, and my reputation..it doesn't bother me one bit what you say.
I do wish you well....I would still like to know though, are they hiring street captains as I have a few friends that would be interested.

C'mon Karen, tell us how you really feel.... I suppose some of your friends may need recommendations from Speedbird if PSA tanks with USAirways....

 

[SELCAL checks]

I, too, am a relatively recent hire at Pinnacle, and went straight to the left seat. My last employer was PSA.

Please don't assume that I'm the aforementioned idiot if you fly with me.

I don't see how he could be a captain here anyway, with only 2200 hours and a Commercial Multi rating.

Thank you.

 

[Heavy Set]

I, too, am a relatively recent hire at Pinnacle, and went straight to the left seat. My last employer was PSA.

Please don't assume that I'm the aforementioned idiot if you fly with me.

I don't see how he could be a captain here anyway, with only 2200 hours and a Commercial Multi rating.

Thank you.

Gee, you're a nice guy and I bet a lot of fun to fly with... Whatever happened to support among colleagues? Don't be surprised if Speedbird finds you and kicks your a$$... It's a small world.

 

[Paul R. Smith]

WTF is so bad about Pinnacle? I don't work there but I hear most of em on the radio sound like they have a clue. Whereas myself...

Is it Screw scheduling? Is it the Street Captain thing? WTF over? I have an acquaintance who lives in FAR and he tried to get me to dump what was then Cont'l Express and come over to PCL back in 2000. Should I hate this guy for this? I mean if its the pay well yeah I can understand but Its gotta be better than like Great Mistakes or Gulfstream. Just wondering why the huge PCL bashing lately like that one thread "Pinnacle class cancelled"/

 

[chperplt]

I don't see how he could be a captain here anyway, with only 2200 hours and a Commercial Multi rating.

Dude,

Some people don't need to get their rocks off by updating their Flight Info profile all the time. Maybe that's the case here.

 

[PCL_128]

Actually, if Gulfstream payed better then it would be a much better company than Pinnacle to work at. I had 16 days off as a junior FO at GIA. I remember one month with 22 days off. Yeah, you had to fly 8 legs a day, but you spent most nights at home also. GIA isn't that bad. A lot of things in their contract beat PCL by quite a bit (min day, trip rigs, etc...).

The big problem at Pinnacle is the attitude that management takes towards the pilots. A good quote from our acting DO: "Why are we letting these pilots have so many days off? We have the ability to junior man, so we should be using it as much as possible to keep staffing down." They have an attendance policy that punishes you for calling in sick or fatigued, even if you have a doctor's note. They have been known to fire new-hire FOs at the drop of a hat. I could go on, but you can just check my past posts. I've been posting quite a bit on the disaster that is Pinch-nickle.

In summary, yes you should be upset that your friend would try to subject you to this place.

 

[General Lee]

I think Karen is Speedbird's disgruntled lover........



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SELCAL checks]

You're right, I probably should support my colleague.

If he hadn't blathered on and on about what a great pilot he is, how he was one of the best FO’s that PSA had, and then played the "race" card... I might feel a little more sympathetic.

I thought PSA had a pretty good training department. My experience there was a positive one, and I felt that they dealt fairly with everyone. It's all hearsay, but my PSA buddies told me that a few folks were fired after deficient CR7 differences checkrides because of past documented weaknesses during initial training. If memory serves correctly, a first officer checkride at PSA allows for training to proficiency for any deficient items. So I really don’t think one mistake would cause a bust.

If this guy was truly the victim of a training department with an agenda and a company acting outside the terms of the CBA, then I feel for him and apologize for my comment. There but for the grace of God go I, I hope I never bust a checkride. But what's he going to do, go get his job back at PSA flying a CRJ from the right seat?

No, he's going to stay in his job at Pinnacle and publicly brag about the fact that he failed a CRJ training event at another operator, but Pinnacle immediately gave him a job and made him a captain in the CRJ right off the bat.

Kind of rubs me the wrong way.

 

[BeCareful!]

This is for KFpilot. The pilot you are talking about was me. offered a choice between resigning and been terminated after failing a proficiency check following diffrences training on the CRJ 700. I told them to go ahead and terminated me. I was not given a chance to do a recheck as required by the contract.
I was represented by the union during the meeting with the manager of flight standards. The union filed a grievance on my behalf and thanked me for having the courage to bring this matter to their attention.
I am not a bad pilot. I made a mistake failed a PC check and I accepted full responsibility for the failure. I was totally truthful about it in my interveiws. Both companies who interveiwed me were very supportive of me. I had very strong refrences from pilots who had flown with in my previous jobs. They felt I had been treated unfairly. You do not fire a pilot who has been flying the line succesfully for failing one check without given him a recheck.
I proofed myself here doing excellently in the training which is much harder than what we did at PSA. I passed my type ride on first attempt which speaks for my ability as a pilot.
Listening to your comments I see why I got fired from PSA. KFPILOT was my sim captain at PSA and must have had a field day bashing my reputation. I was loyal to her much to the disgust of most of my classmates who held her in very low esteem. Felt she was a gulfstream academy grad and did not know what she was doing. If she looks at my past posts she will see that I made a strong defence for Gulfstream grads using her as an example of what they can achieve.
She needs to get her facts right before she starts yapping about stuff. I flew with her once and I was not critical of her lack of knowledge as regards the systems in the airplane when we had a minor malfunction.
PSA had a black recruiter who hired a few qualified minorities most who had in excess of 5000 hrs like myself. After he left PSA to work elsewhere with a lot of encouragement and I believe quite some support from people like KFPILOT here quite a few of those minorities have lost their jobs making them feel a little bit witch hunted. But mostly it has just been more experience pilots expecting miracles from 1000 hr pilots and just complaining too much about normal short comings. I was one of the best first officers at PSA as far a flying the airplane goes. training was tough, OE was tough but a learned the airplane quickly as is expected of a pilot of my experience. For KFPILOT that is her first PIC position. I already had 1000 hrs turbine PIC before I even got to fly for PSA.
Again my performance speaks for itself. Believe it Karen I am a Captain at NWAIRLINK!!
I am happy about my contributions to PSA Pilots since the event with me no other person has been fired under the same circumstances. The union put a stop to that injustice!
My case is still pending and I am been strongly represented by ALPA. It is a case they are very confident of winning.
KFPILOT is just a basket case and I now understand why most of our mutual classmates at PSA have always wondered why I even stick up for her when they begin bashing how disorganise she looks and presents herself.
I have to learn to call a spade a spade!

To All -

I'm sure Speed's 2200 hours and stellar work history qualifies him to bash KFPILOT's rep. I was in her Mainline class in 1999, and every one of the 53 other new hires coveted her FOM and system notes. Her systems knowledge is better than necessary, and as for the incident described: who amongst us knows everything these all electric airplanes will throw at us? I know KFPILOT handled everything just fine that night out of STL, but hey, with 2200 hours and a failure and a firing under his belt, maybe we should all listen to Speed34.....

Speedboy talks of her time at GIA, but he doesn't mention that she moved on to BizEx, EGL, and then Mainline USAir, where her reputation was well known as that of a true professional. No busts, no problems, and several people who wanted her notes from class. (Very pretty handwriting, unbelievable attention to detail.) She was one of the high-time females in our class, and no one ever questioned that she's paid her dues.


I know the checkairman and the Manager of Flight Standardswho had to pull the plug on several PSA pilots who were just in over their heads. 60 hours in CRJ200 training (sim), then extra IOE, then, then, then.....sheeze, where does it end? They made a decision to cut the company's loses. I'm happy to see that PSA is moving away from being a "training ground" for low-timers. Pinnacle: good luck, and may your passengers be safe while those up front are teaching eachother the ropes.

 

[On Your Six]

To All -

I'm sure Speed's 2200 hours and stellar work history qualifies him to bash KFPILOT's rep. I was in her Mainline class in 1999, and every one of the 53 other new hires coveted her FOM and system notes. Her systems knowledge is better than necessary, and as for the incident described: who amongst us knows everything these all electric airplanes will throw at us? I know KFPILOT handled everything just fine that night out of STL, but hey, with 2200 hours and a failure and a firing under his belt, maybe we should all listen to Speed34.....

Speedboy talks of her time at GIA, but he doesn't mention that she moved on to BizEx, EGL, and then Mainline USAir, where her reputation was well known as that of a true professional. No busts, no problems, and several people who wanted her notes from class. (Very pretty handwriting, unbelievable attention to detail.) She was one of the high-time females in our class, and no one ever questioned that she's paid her dues.


I know the checkairman and the Manager of Flight Standardswho had to pull the plug on several PSA pilots who were just in over their heads. 60 hours in CRJ200 training (sim), then extra IOE, then, then, then.....sheeze, where does it end? They made a decision to cut the company's loses. I'm happy to see that PSA is moving away from being a "training ground" for low-timers. Pinnacle: good luck, and may your passengers be safe while those up front are teaching eachother the ropes.

Sounds like a lot of love and support at PSA for fellow pilots. So, for those of you who are interested in PSA, WATCH YOUR BACK!!!!!!!! I doubt Speedbird's total hours number was accurate (mine certainly ain't) if he was hired directly into the left seat at Pinnacle - let's not be completely naive....

Honestly, I am surprised that any USAirways mainliner would want to fly PSA RJs when they could fly nicer E170s instead (at least build E170 time for a jump over to JetBlue when USAirways sinks).