Question about solo cross country

[QuasarZ]

I need about 9 more cross country hours for my instrument rating, and they are suppose to be "solo" does that mean solo with no instructor (so not a dual) or solo as in I cant even take my dad and I need to be by myself?
thanks

 

[QuasarZ]

Well...if you are doing Part 61, you need 50 hours of PIC XC...nothing about solo.

If you are doing it Part 141...there is no cross country requirement outside the 1 mandatory dual cross country....unless otherwise specificed by your curriculum.

But for the sake of logging purposes..you can only put numbers in the solo column if you are the only occupant of the airplane. No other pilots, no passengers, nobody.

interesting.. I am doing it 141 and my instructor said that I need 50 hours cross country to qualify for the rating

 

[Tarzan]

Whoa up to your instructor then. Does it say that anywhere in your TCO's? As stated before 141 has no requirement other what has been approved in ciriculum. Sounds like you have a new CFI that doesn't understand how it works. That is a 61 requirement and part of that time is during the IFR cross country because my student is PIC at that time. What school you go to?

 

[QuasarZ]

Whoa up to your instructor then. Does it say that anywhere in your TCO's? As stated before 141 has no requirement other what has been approved in ciriculum. Sounds like you have a new CFI that doesn't understand how it works. That is a 61 requirement and part of that time is during the IFR cross country because my student is PIC at that time. What school you go to?

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I didnt think so either but my instructor and her boss said so.. something fishy is going on

 

[gern_blanston]

Ask politely for 'em to show you the FAR.
Are you sure it's not a company policy?

 

[jaywc7]

Ah - if you are in a 141 school, keep in mind that the school's rules become FAA rules due to the 141 part. I'm pretty sure you need 50 XC for a 141 instrument rating. I could be wrong, and will look it up, but I think that's a reg isn't it? Anyways - go to the operations guy at your school, and inquire. YOU ARE THE CUSTOMER!!! Just ask what the heck is going on. If there is an explanation, they should give it to you. If there is not an explanation, then go to your FAR's and read what is required and go by that. I'll tell you this - usually 141 schools like to incorporate things into the curriculum that are NOT neccesary, but earn them more money. I passed a 141 commercial class at SCSU, and am being forced to take it again at my new school for $800!!! I am irate, but they will not allow it any other way. So - watch yer back is all. Hope this helps. Like I said - I only think I know. But YOU should always check EVERYTHING youself. It's the pilot way...

As far as "solo". I will agree that "solo" means "solo"... No CFI's, no dad's, mom's or anyone else. Hmmmm... I wonder if you could bring your dog on a solo???

 

[mattpilot]

They are most likely milking you for hours. I'd consider training elsewhere.


*edit:

From the website:

"Instrument Rating $5,240.00
(Prerequisite: 90 hours pilot in command flight time to include 50 hours cross country beyond private)"

They may not have 141 approval for the instrument rating. There are schools out there that are 141 AND 61. You are either not in a 141 course, or you are being milked.

 

[mattpilot]

Ah - if you are in a 141 school, keep in mind that the school's rules become FAA rules due to the 141 part. I'm pretty sure you need 50 XC for a 141 instrument rating. I could be wrong, and will look it up, but I think that's a reg isn't it?

No sir. 141 only requires what FAA approves. Part 141 sets out no minimums. My school only requires 2 XC - one short and one long one - which are part of the course. Only prerequisit to start the course is a mere PPL.


**edit: and thanks to that course, i had a IR before i had 100 TT.

 

[P-Dawg_QX]

Another question...does your 141 school have examining authority for the Instrument rating? When I was training, my school had examining authority for everything BUT the instrument rating, so we did the training per the 141 syllabus, but in the end, the checkride was taken under 61, so we had to abide by those minimums. Therefore, the 50 hours x/c was a requirement for me. Once we got examining authority, that was no longer the case.

Something else to consider, though...whatever x/c time you get now can probably be used toward your commercial x/c requirements (assuming you don't have that yet), so if you end up having to fly those 50 hours, it's not a complete waste of time and money.

Hope this helps!

 

[mattpilot]

Another question...does your 141 school have examining authority for the Instrument rating? When I was training, my school had examining authority for everything BUT the instrument rating, so we did the training per the 141 syllabus, but in the end, the checkride was taken under 61, so we had to abide by those minimums. Therefore, the 50 hours x/c was a requirement for me. Once we got examining authority, that was no longer the case.

Something else to consider, though...whatever x/c time you get now can probably be used toward your commercial x/c requirements (assuming you don't have that yet), so if you end up having to fly those 50 hours, it's not a complete waste of time and money.

Hope this helps!

Actually, Checkrides aren't 61 or 141. They are just checkrides. If you did your training under 61, the examiner will see if you meet the minimums in Part 61. If you did your training under part 141, you will get a certificate of completion from the school. On the 8710 your school will fill out the back portion and that waives the Part 61 requirement.

As for it not being a waste because of the CPL.... it still is a waste, if he does the CPL under 141. Why? Because under 141 you just have to complete the Course - again, there are no requirements other than what the TCO requires.

My school has a requirement of some 120 hours for the CPL. I hear minitour's school had a requirement for only 60 hours for the CPL. Both courses lead to a certificate of completion which will waive any Part 61 requirement. Its whatever the FAA approves for a school, that sets out the requirements.

 

[P-Dawg_QX]

Actually, Checkrides aren't 61 or 141. They are just checkrides. If you did your training under 61, the examiner will see if you meet the minimums in Part 61. If you did your training under part 141, you will get a certificate of completion from the school. On the 8710 your school will fill out the back portion and that waives the Part 61 requirement.

Yeah, that's what I meant...using 61 or 141 minimums, whichever apply.

As for it not being a waste because of the CPL.... it still is a waste, if he does the CPL under 141. Why? Because under 141 you just have to complete the Course - again, there are no requirements other than what the TCO requires.

That depends on the course. In my case, we were using the Jeppesen syllabus, which has a combined instrument/commercial course. In that case, we were able to use the x/c times for instrument to meet the commercial requirements since they were considered the same course. I'm sure that not all courses would work this way.