Pvt. Checkride PIC

[midlifeflyer]

Actually, it would be completely illegal to shoot any instrument approach procedure knowing that the wx was below the minimums listed on the IAP prior to beginning the approach. ... The FAR's make this clear as day.

Since Orcas brought tit up, I won't ask which regulation makes it clear as day.

The student pilot is required to have a total of 3 hours of instrument training prior to being able to take the private pilot checkride so why not give them some "actual" experience versus "simulated"? This is absolutely legal

...which is =exactly= why I'd be interested in hearing more about it.

 

[transpac]

Shooting an approach when the wx is below minima is dumb and unsafe?? Why?
I've done dozens of approaches in such conditions during training flights/checkrides. In fact, if there's an airport below minima in the general area, that's usually my first choice for instrument approach training. I'm missing the rationale as to why it's dumb and/or unsafe.

 

[OrcasC180]

Shooting an approach when the wx is below minima is dumb and unsafe?? Why?

I had to think about this for a bit. I think it comes down to perspective and what you're trying to accomplish. I'm coming from a background of owning my own single-engine plane and using it for personal transportation for the last several years for myself and my family. These are usually short hops from the island I live on down to the Seattle area. If the weather is below minimums where I'm trying to go, chances are I'm not going to depart anyway. If the weather drops while enroute (30-40 minutes in most cases), I'm already going to be looking for an alternative rather than shooting an approach I have every expectation will end in a missed approach. If the WX is just above minimums, I do shoot the approach with the expectation in my mind that I will not see the runway and will go missed. I work very hard to stay proficient enough to be comfortable shooting approaches to minimum.

I understand your point about training and need to remember that this is a training forum. I think there is a lot of value to showing an instrument student what it is like to fly missed approaches in actual conditions. My instrument instructor never had that opportunity (though we did break out at minimums a couple of times) and the first time I had to go missed approach for real was a bit of an adreneline rush.

I'm in the process of resuming my commercial training with the goal of becoming a part-time flight instructor. Obviously I will need to change my perspective some from where I am now.

-DJ

 

[nosehair]

Training - this is Training!!

You Airline and Corporate types should probably stay away from this page, cause it is Training. And I take it that we mean Part 61/91 training, not 121,125, or 135 training. We do IFR flights to airports where the fog is still thick as pea soup so the student can get some actual missed approach practice.
We ask for holding. We ask to do full approaches. We fly airways instead of radar vectors direct. We don't do things the way the rest of the world does it.
So many of the responses to so many comments on this page are related to the actual practical side of flying. We're Training!!
I like the comments from non-instructor types who don't see the value of a particular move, but don't call them illegal unless you are working in a daily Part 61/91 environment. We ain't that familiar with 121 either, so it is an even draw. OK?

 

[mizzouguy]

It is legal but dumb you are right. My problem with this is it is absolutley waisting his money because it is not good training. The student knows nothing about instrument approach procedures or the IFR environment so who is flying the airplane? The student pilot with 3 or less hours of instrument time? I think not. Id find a new CFI.

 

[freeflyer14]

Just curious, what do examiners log (if anything) when giving a checkride? Have taken 8 checkrides now but always forgot to ask . I would assume nothing since the applicant is pic and they (axaminer) are not givng dual.

 

[wmuflyguy]

I dont think they can log anything, most of these guys are older and a few my school uses are airline pilots or corporate pilots. So they aren't concerned with loggin it for time building purposes, just for the extra 250 bucks for a few hours worth of question asking and teaching. they tell me it is a great side gig.