Public Service Announcement: FUTURE SCOPE

[777forever]

This one goes out the overly excited regional Captains who think mainline pilots will cave on scope even more

Just a friendly reminder that the ONLY reason there are CR7/9s and E170/75s flying around at the regional level is that they were forced in BANKRUPTCY. There is no chance, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, that mainline will cave anymore.

Good day

 

[suupah]

This one goes out the overly excited regional Captains who think mainline pilots will cave on scope even more

Just a friendly reminder that the ONLY reason there are CR7/9s and E170/75s flying around at the regional level is that they were forced in BANKRUPTCY. There is no chance, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, that mainline will cave anymore.

Good day

As long as that big juicy booty doesn't get scoped out, I'm happy

 

[flyboyzii]

I'll believe that statement when I actually see it happen. Until then, it's all speculation. The senior guys have always screwed the junior guys. It's been proven over and over and over again. We'll see.

 

[WWEfan]

Hey, 777, did you forget to logout in the crewroom again?

 

[RJLoser]

This one goes out the overly excited regional Captains who think mainline pilots will cave on scope even more

Just a friendly reminder that the ONLY reason there are CR7/9s and E170/75s flying around at the regional level is that they were forced in BANKRUPTCY. There is no chance, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, that mainline will cave anymore.

Good day

I don't know anyone who wants more planes. Over excited regional CA's? Are there any? Everyone wants to move on. Waste of a thread unless there are actually losers out there that think this way.

 

[outtahere]

Actually, thats not the case, Delta gave up 70 seat scope willingly during negotiation for C2K. They also gave up 76 seat scope in the hope of saving their pension. Neither time was it ram rodded down their throat (even though some over there want you to believe it). There may have been a little more pressure on for 76 seats, but the 700's were given up easily.

 

[outtahere]

I don't know anyone who wants more planes. Over excited regional CA's? Are there any? Everyone wants to move on. Waste of a thread unless there are actually losers out there that think this way.

Just in case the last 10 years weren't a good enough of an example, never count your chickens before they hatch. While most want to move on, not all do. Personally, I'm not leaving for just any carrier, it'll have to be lucrative, both for pay and quality of life. In the mean time, I'm still employed at ASa, so I want ASa to grow! If that means taking planes from mainline, so be it! I'm not falling on my sword for anyone! Should I make it to another carrier, then I'll be fighting to keep scope. You can stand up for the mainline guys if you want to, but will they stand with you? If you need a clue, look to the CAL/UA negotiations, they'd take your plane and dump you on the street faster than you can sneeze, so be careful who your'e standing with.

 

[LearLove]

I'm still employed at ASa, so I want ASa to grow! If that means taking planes from mainline, so be it!

really?? see people, this is why we make 2 by 4's and baseball bats.

 

[79%N1]

really?? see people, this is why we make 2 by 4's and baseball bats.

So, if guys are happy wherevthey are, and happy doing what they are doing.....they should be hit with a bat!?!?! YGBFSM! You are a real piece of work!

People are happy with different things. Some people don't want to move or commute for another job. Especially if that job involves a pay cut! (even if only for a while). Some people don't want to be junior or on reserve again. Some people don't care to fly heavy's to international destinations. Who are you people to decide!? I have a friend that flies a King Air for his career, and is completely happy to do that.

The Regionals are not perfect by any stretch, but some people enjoy it and have built up good situations there. Why does everyone have to want to move on just because you say so?

 

[Jon Rivoli]

This one goes out the overly excited regional Captains who think mainline pilots will cave on scope even more

Just a friendly reminder that the ONLY reason there are CR7/9s and E170/75s flying around at the regional level is that they were forced in BANKRUPTCY. There is no chance, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, that mainline will cave anymore.

Good day

If this is so certain, why are they wasting so much energy talking down to us wanna be pilots. Just do it, or STFU.

I tend to think that they are still trying to convince themselves that it will happen and it boosts their ego thumping their chest.

 

[LearLove]

So, if guys are happy wherevthey are, and happy doing what they are doing.....they should be hit with a bat!?!?! YGBFSM! You are a real piece of work!

People are happy with different things. Some people don't want to move or commute for another job. Especially if that job involves a pay cut! (even if only for a while). Some people don't want to be junior or on reserve again. Some people don't care to fly heavy's to international destinations. Who are you people to decide!? I have a friend that flies a King Air for his career, and is completely happy to do that.

The Regionals are not perfect by any stretch, but some people enjoy it and have built up good situations there. Why does everyone have to want to move on just because you say so?

yeah but it is not OK when you want to take an existing job from another person.

and Trek - really, yet another example of outsourced US jobs? I bet you think LA was clean, don't you?

 

[Raoul Duke]

This one goes out the overly excited regional Captains who think mainline pilots will cave on scope even more

Just a friendly reminder that the ONLY reason there are CR7/9s and E170/75s flying around at the regional level is that they were forced in BANKRUPTCY. There is no chance, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, that mainline will cave anymore.

Good day

That is not correct, Mesa was flying 900s long before the airways merger and HP never filed BK

 

[CX880]

another useless thread started by 777. Will aSa get more 9s?

 

[johnpeace]

yeah but it is not OK when you want to take an existing job from another person.

So, why is it OK for mainline pilots to want to take my regional job...but not the other way around? That's not OK, is it?

 

[79%N1]

yeah but it is not OK when you want to take an existing job from another person.

and Trek - really, yet another example of outsourced US jobs? I bet you think LA was clean, don't you?

Nobody EVER said anything about taking a job from someone!! I don't expect any mainline pilot to loose their job. Why can't mainline pilots keep their jobs and fly bigger planes and regionals grow in their role? Work together, get it! How about the shoe on the other feet, when mainline wants to take back flying. Does that not put people out of work?

Anyway, did you worry about that at Midatlantic when Usairways was furloughing?

Now........ Yes. LA is clean until proven one time otherwise. : )

 

[rf285]

Why don't you guys stop being so lazy and get your interview skills brushed up? What is the difference from going from 70/hr to 56/hr for one year? You will exceed your old rate by year two with a far superior contract. Who cares if you're not the boss anymore...

 

[LearLove]

Anyway, did you worry about that at Midatlantic when Usairways was furloughing?

again, really? Do you even know what your talking about?

 

[General Lee]

I'll believe that statement when I actually see it happen. Until then, it's all speculation. The senior guys have always screwed the junior guys. It's been proven over and over and over again. We'll see.

The now senior guys were junior when they were originally screwed over. They do remember. Also, a lot of them now commute on little RJs, that were once 737s or 727s. That isn't forgotten at all. Really, don't count on it. And high oil isn't helping your current cause either.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[777forever]

Regional airlines will be forced to shut down in the next couple years because there will literally be no pilots to fly the plane. If Delta is wondering how they are going to get pilots were does that but ASA/PSA/Wiskey/Compass/TSA etc etc? Great Lakes SURELY will go out of business!

 

[Freebrd]

another useless thread started by 777.

no kiddin, 777 gets so excited about position notices he creams all over himself thinking he's gonna get that upgrade to capt, just go back and read his posts, he doesn't know squat about anything, all he does is guess guess guess!!! Looooooooser!

 

[COOPERVANE]

I welcome his perspective and point of view.

But pleeeeese let him get rid of that DISGUSTING picture. Makes me wanna vomit.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Yes it is. Your job is/has been a loaner per the mainlines Section 1. Your job is more like seasonal help.

So, why is it OK for mainline pilots to want to take my regional job...but not the other way around? That's not OK, is it?

 

[jbDC9]

...I'm still employed at ASa, so I want ASa to grow! If that means taking planes from mainline, so be it! I'm not falling on my sword for anyone! Should I make it to another carrier, then I'll be fighting to keep scope.

Huh? If the regionals keep growing and taking more mainline flying, what carrier will you move on to? There will be no place for you to go... plus, if you do make it to another carrier, why/how could you fight to keep scope?? It's already gone! You're too stupid to see that your argument just doesn't make any sense.

So, why is it OK for mainline pilots to want to take my regional job...but not the other way around? That's not OK, is it?

You really should read up a bit on the airline industry and its history before posting crap like that... the regionals already took the mainline pilots jobs. The mainline pilots now just want 'em back. Get it?

I hate to sound so crabby, but really, the stupidity I read here just boggles my mind.

 

[On Your Six]

Both johnpeace and outtahere never went to college, and most likely got kicked out of highschool before finishing. They want to stay in the minor leagues because they really don't have a chance for the Majors, and they love eating fast food, forever. Aim low guys, aim low.


OYS

 

[johnpeace]

I thought the regionals accepted flying that mainline pilot groups didn't want. That's a little different than 'taking' it from them, isn't it?

 

[79%N1]

Why can't Regionals grow AND Mainline grow together. Tie regional growth to mainline additions. 1 new RJ for connection and feed for every 1 mainline airframe. Nobody taking anything that way.

 

[Freebrd]

Yes it is. Your job is/has been a loaner per the mainlines Section 1. Your job is more like seasonal help.

Yeah right, these airlines,ASA,CMR,SKYW etc have been operating for more than 30 years, and at one time DAL was considered a "regional", not quite seasonal help huh

 

[Freebrd]

Both johnpeace and outtahere never went to college, and most likely got kicked out of highschool before finishing. They want to stay in the minor leagues because they really don't have a chance for the Majors, and they love eating fast food, forever. Aim low guys, aim low.


OYS

The vast majority of regional pilots incl the senior pukes have the degree General Junior! Funny but I see you big boys eating the same sheet at the airport, and we're here in the 'minor' league cause you major pukes caved on scope, not once but many times

 

[Jetjockey]

Regional Airlines are like boxes riding on conveyor belts inclined up. They rise upwards in fleet size and pay until they hit the top.........and fall off. Back to the bottom of the Regional airline pit. The next one rises, until it falls off. Next rising airline??? Next one off the conveyor belt.

Management doesn't lose, they keep their pay at the next endeavor. Labor, particularly pilots are left in the cold. What a great way to keep labor costs rock bottom, hit the reset button every 10 years.

 

[dojetdriver]

Why can't Regionals grow AND Mainline grow together. Tie regional growth to mainline additions. 1 new RJ for connection and feed for every 1 mainline airframe. Nobody taking anything that way.

Have you read UAL's scope language? That's the EXACT reason there's so many freaking 70's in service for UAX as it is. It's tied to block hours, the more block hours UAL flies the more UAX can fly.

F that, all those 70's should be at mainline, or parked and replaced with narrow body equipment being flown at mainline.