Public Service Announcement: FUTURE SCOPE

[COOPERVANE]

I welcome his perspective and point of view.

But pleeeeese let him get rid of that DISGUSTING picture. Makes me wanna vomit.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Yes it is. Your job is/has been a loaner per the mainlines Section 1. Your job is more like seasonal help.

So, why is it OK for mainline pilots to want to take my regional job...but not the other way around? That's not OK, is it?

 

[jbDC9]

...I'm still employed at ASa, so I want ASa to grow! If that means taking planes from mainline, so be it! I'm not falling on my sword for anyone! Should I make it to another carrier, then I'll be fighting to keep scope.

Huh? If the regionals keep growing and taking more mainline flying, what carrier will you move on to? There will be no place for you to go... plus, if you do make it to another carrier, why/how could you fight to keep scope?? It's already gone! You're too stupid to see that your argument just doesn't make any sense.

So, why is it OK for mainline pilots to want to take my regional job...but not the other way around? That's not OK, is it?

You really should read up a bit on the airline industry and its history before posting crap like that... the regionals already took the mainline pilots jobs. The mainline pilots now just want 'em back. Get it?

I hate to sound so crabby, but really, the stupidity I read here just boggles my mind.

 

[On Your Six]

Both johnpeace and outtahere never went to college, and most likely got kicked out of highschool before finishing. They want to stay in the minor leagues because they really don't have a chance for the Majors, and they love eating fast food, forever. Aim low guys, aim low.


OYS

 

[johnpeace]

I thought the regionals accepted flying that mainline pilot groups didn't want. That's a little different than 'taking' it from them, isn't it?

 

[79%N1]

Why can't Regionals grow AND Mainline grow together. Tie regional growth to mainline additions. 1 new RJ for connection and feed for every 1 mainline airframe. Nobody taking anything that way.

 

[Freebrd]

Yes it is. Your job is/has been a loaner per the mainlines Section 1. Your job is more like seasonal help.

Yeah right, these airlines,ASA,CMR,SKYW etc have been operating for more than 30 years, and at one time DAL was considered a "regional", not quite seasonal help huh

 

[Freebrd]

Both johnpeace and outtahere never went to college, and most likely got kicked out of highschool before finishing. They want to stay in the minor leagues because they really don't have a chance for the Majors, and they love eating fast food, forever. Aim low guys, aim low.


OYS

The vast majority of regional pilots incl the senior pukes have the degree General Junior! Funny but I see you big boys eating the same sheet at the airport, and we're here in the 'minor' league cause you major pukes caved on scope, not once but many times

 

[Jetjockey]

Regional Airlines are like boxes riding on conveyor belts inclined up. They rise upwards in fleet size and pay until they hit the top.........and fall off. Back to the bottom of the Regional airline pit. The next one rises, until it falls off. Next rising airline??? Next one off the conveyor belt.

Management doesn't lose, they keep their pay at the next endeavor. Labor, particularly pilots are left in the cold. What a great way to keep labor costs rock bottom, hit the reset button every 10 years.

 

[dojetdriver]

Why can't Regionals grow AND Mainline grow together. Tie regional growth to mainline additions. 1 new RJ for connection and feed for every 1 mainline airframe. Nobody taking anything that way.

Have you read UAL's scope language? That's the EXACT reason there's so many freaking 70's in service for UAX as it is. It's tied to block hours, the more block hours UAL flies the more UAX can fly.

F that, all those 70's should be at mainline, or parked and replaced with narrow body equipment being flown at mainline.

 

[nimtz]

Management doesn't lose, they keep their pay at the next endeavor. Labor, particularly pilots are left in the cold. What a great way to keep labor costs rock bottom, hit the reset button every 10 years.

Yep. Nothing more worthless to management then a topped out RJ captain. Eagle will be the next to fall. Stay at a 'top dog' regional long enough and you will get the Comair treatment eventually.

 

[Jetjockey]

Yep. Nothing more worthless to management then a topped out RJ captain. Eagle will be the next to fall. Stay at a 'top dog' regional long enough and you will get the Comair treatment eventually.

It was the West Air, Air Wisconsin, Aspen, Northeast, Atlantic Coast, Skyway, etc. etc long before it was the called the "Comair Treatment".

 

[nerjdriver]

Just a friendly reminder that the ONLY reason there are CR7/9s and E170/75s flying around at the regional level is that they were forced in BANKRUPTCY.
Good day

Swing and a miss!!!! UAL scope relaxed in contract 2000 when the "heavy" guys were promised more widebodies! Woops!!!!

 

[dojetdriver]

Swing and a miss!!!! UAL scope relaxed in contract 2000 when the "heavy" guys were promised more widebodies! Woops!!!!

Nope, the HJS (heavy jet syndrome) relaxation of UAL scope to allow jets exclusive of the AWAC 146's occurred in the 90's. Contract 2000 just relaxed it further with the big check.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

F that, all those 70's should be at mainline, or parked and replaced with narrow body equipment being flown at mainline.

Are mainline pilots are willing to be a CRJ 700 CA for $88/hr? Really? Oh, we'll fly them for no less than $120. I see. Looks like the regionals aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Are mainline pilots are willing to be a CRJ 700 CA for $88/hr? Really? Oh, we'll fly them for no less than $120. I see. Looks like the regionals aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

How are they going to tell their squadron mates they are flying an RJ even if it was $120 hr?

Mainline anybody, take the effing flying back, no PSA needed. Just do it and stop yammering. You have my support.

 

[Quack]

It's funny how everyone is pointing fingers...mainline this, regional that...blah blah f'in blah! The fact remains, Skywest, Pinnacle, Republic, and the list goes on, wouldn't be anywhere near their size in aircraft and pilots without the mainline carriers relaxing scope. I'm happy for all those who decide to stay at their regional, and make it a career, but the lot of us want the F out! And that means no more growth at ANY regional. If you decide to stay at the regional level that's your own prerogative...but don't think for one second you're benefiting anyone or the system by wishing growth at the demise of the mainline...

 

[AvroGuy]

I think it is really funny when people say regional’s stole flying.. Most likely the 737/727 wasn't full enough to be economical or pax wanted more frequency that isn't cost effective for mainline. You can say all you want about fuel, but i bet running a CRJ/EMB 5 times a day between ord and okc is still far cheaper than running an 80 or 737. Mainline management is also the one to blame. The flying is theirs, they decide where it best serves the customer, stock holders, and the airline. As a FO i go where the company tells me to go. Marketing at mainline tells my airline where to go. I have no say in the matter.

 

[bri5150]

I think it is really funny when people say regional’s stole flying.. Most likely the 737/727 wasn't full enough to be economical or pax wanted more frequency that isn't cost effective for mainline. You can say all you want about fuel, but i bet running a CRJ/EMB 5 times a day between ord and okc is still far cheaper than running an 80 or 737. Mainline management is also the one to blame. The flying is theirs, they decide where it best serves the customer, stock holders, and the airline. As a FO i go where the company tells me to go. Marketing at mainline tells my airline where to go. I have no say in the matter.

I don't think people are arguing that the CRJ or EMB is or isn't better for certain routes. I think the problem is that they aren't flown by mainline pilots. That comes down to management wanting it to happen, and mainline pilots letting it happen.

 

[AvroGuy]

I don't think people are arguing that the CRJ or EMB is or isn't better for certain routes. I think the problem is that they aren't flown by mainline pilots. That comes down to management wanting it to happen, and mainline pilots letting it happen.

I can understand that. One possible problem may be mainlines own contract and pay rates.. Supposedly the APA's contract with AA states the captain will not make less than the FO...talkin hourly payrates.. I just see no way AA management will allow a CA/FO to fly the 700 for $130/56 an hour, and that is an estimated 2nd year pay below the 80(80 pay rate at $149/75/hr on airline pilot central, I have no idea what the F100 payrates were)