Public Service Announcement: FUTURE SCOPE

[nimtz]

Management doesn't lose, they keep their pay at the next endeavor. Labor, particularly pilots are left in the cold. What a great way to keep labor costs rock bottom, hit the reset button every 10 years.

Yep. Nothing more worthless to management then a topped out RJ captain. Eagle will be the next to fall. Stay at a 'top dog' regional long enough and you will get the Comair treatment eventually.

 

[Jetjockey]

Yep. Nothing more worthless to management then a topped out RJ captain. Eagle will be the next to fall. Stay at a 'top dog' regional long enough and you will get the Comair treatment eventually.

It was the West Air, Air Wisconsin, Aspen, Northeast, Atlantic Coast, Skyway, etc. etc long before it was the called the "Comair Treatment".

 

[nerjdriver]

Just a friendly reminder that the ONLY reason there are CR7/9s and E170/75s flying around at the regional level is that they were forced in BANKRUPTCY.
Good day

Swing and a miss!!!! UAL scope relaxed in contract 2000 when the "heavy" guys were promised more widebodies! Woops!!!!

 

[dojetdriver]

Swing and a miss!!!! UAL scope relaxed in contract 2000 when the "heavy" guys were promised more widebodies! Woops!!!!

Nope, the HJS (heavy jet syndrome) relaxation of UAL scope to allow jets exclusive of the AWAC 146's occurred in the 90's. Contract 2000 just relaxed it further with the big check.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

F that, all those 70's should be at mainline, or parked and replaced with narrow body equipment being flown at mainline.

Are mainline pilots are willing to be a CRJ 700 CA for $88/hr? Really? Oh, we'll fly them for no less than $120. I see. Looks like the regionals aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Are mainline pilots are willing to be a CRJ 700 CA for $88/hr? Really? Oh, we'll fly them for no less than $120. I see. Looks like the regionals aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

How are they going to tell their squadron mates they are flying an RJ even if it was $120 hr?

Mainline anybody, take the effing flying back, no PSA needed. Just do it and stop yammering. You have my support.

 

[Quack]

It's funny how everyone is pointing fingers...mainline this, regional that...blah blah f'in blah! The fact remains, Skywest, Pinnacle, Republic, and the list goes on, wouldn't be anywhere near their size in aircraft and pilots without the mainline carriers relaxing scope. I'm happy for all those who decide to stay at their regional, and make it a career, but the lot of us want the F out! And that means no more growth at ANY regional. If you decide to stay at the regional level that's your own prerogative...but don't think for one second you're benefiting anyone or the system by wishing growth at the demise of the mainline...

 

[AvroGuy]

I think it is really funny when people say regional’s stole flying.. Most likely the 737/727 wasn't full enough to be economical or pax wanted more frequency that isn't cost effective for mainline. You can say all you want about fuel, but i bet running a CRJ/EMB 5 times a day between ord and okc is still far cheaper than running an 80 or 737. Mainline management is also the one to blame. The flying is theirs, they decide where it best serves the customer, stock holders, and the airline. As a FO i go where the company tells me to go. Marketing at mainline tells my airline where to go. I have no say in the matter.

 

[bri5150]

I think it is really funny when people say regional’s stole flying.. Most likely the 737/727 wasn't full enough to be economical or pax wanted more frequency that isn't cost effective for mainline. You can say all you want about fuel, but i bet running a CRJ/EMB 5 times a day between ord and okc is still far cheaper than running an 80 or 737. Mainline management is also the one to blame. The flying is theirs, they decide where it best serves the customer, stock holders, and the airline. As a FO i go where the company tells me to go. Marketing at mainline tells my airline where to go. I have no say in the matter.

I don't think people are arguing that the CRJ or EMB is or isn't better for certain routes. I think the problem is that they aren't flown by mainline pilots. That comes down to management wanting it to happen, and mainline pilots letting it happen.

 

[AvroGuy]

I don't think people are arguing that the CRJ or EMB is or isn't better for certain routes. I think the problem is that they aren't flown by mainline pilots. That comes down to management wanting it to happen, and mainline pilots letting it happen.

I can understand that. One possible problem may be mainlines own contract and pay rates.. Supposedly the APA's contract with AA states the captain will not make less than the FO...talkin hourly payrates.. I just see no way AA management will allow a CA/FO to fly the 700 for $130/56 an hour, and that is an estimated 2nd year pay below the 80(80 pay rate at $149/75/hr on airline pilot central, I have no idea what the F100 payrates were)

 

[Speedtape]

This one goes out the overly excited regional Captains who think mainline pilots will cave on scope even more

Just a friendly reminder that the ONLY reason there are CR7/9s and E170/75s flying around at the regional level is that they were forced in BANKRUPTCY. There is no chance, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, that mainline will cave anymore.

Good day

This is not entirely true. There were plenty of 70's flying around before bankruptcy ever occurred. In fact, in the contract before 9/11, unlimited 700's were allowed, but were tied to increases in the mainline fleet. Next, if the fuel prices stay high, there may be another round of bankruptcies. People will stop flying--then what?

What has changed that makes you think that 700/900's will not be a bargaing chip? Just wait until the deal is thrown down. You are making absolute statements that cannot weather Force Majeure!

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

The only reason those rates seem unreasonable to you is that you came into the industry after pilots groups fell all over themselves for less. If there were not pilot groups getting giddy to fly a jet for 60-80 per hour $130 per hour would not seem out of line. Btw, in 2011 $130/hr is not all that much.

I can understand that. One possible problem may be mainlines own contract and pay rates.. Supposedly the APA's contract with AA states the captain will not make less than the FO...talkin hourly payrates.. I just see no way AA management will allow a CA/FO to fly the 700 for $130/56 an hour, and that is an estimated 2nd year pay below the 80(80 pay rate at $149/75/hr on airline pilot central, I have no idea what the F100 payrates were)

 

[xjhawk]

This one goes out the overly excited regional Captains who think mainline pilots will cave on scope even more

Just a friendly reminder that the ONLY reason there are CR7/9s and E170/75s flying around at the regional level is that they were forced in BANKRUPTCY. There is no chance, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, that mainline will cave anymore.

Good day

Who is this guy? 777forever? really, nice have you ever even nonreved on a triple 7? Says you are a crj FO-I guess you really hate the captains you fly with. WHy not just tell the guy the same thing, oh and by the way, most regional captains would rather go to a great paying mainline. But there are the 10-20% that want to stay around.