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[chucknorris]

anyone heard if scheduling duties will be moved to AZ?

 

[Thermocouple]

The real Chuck Norris would just call god up on the land line for the answer.

 

[ex j-41]

Can u imagine if schedulers had to commute.....that would be SWEET!

 

[sweptback]

Can u imagine if schedulers had to commute.....that would be SWEET!

At one time there were schedulers that commuted at ASA. I still don't get it.

 

[38tango]

who cares if they do or not? it won't make them any less retarded than they already are, just twice as miserable

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

At the meeting last week, DP said they have no plans to change anything at the PSA or Piedmont.

 

[BrownStreak]

38tango, you are a stupid asshole

 

[LandRoverNut]

Why Change, we are making them money and AZ thinks the pilot groups are happy based on last quarters on time numbers and lower fuel and brake costs. The lines this month are worse than last.
MY QUESTION IS CAN IT GET ANY WORSE?, BRING IT ON! ALL LINES 10 days off sounds great! While we are at it NO OPEN time not even on the net. That will show those pilots.
MORAL AT AN ALL TIME LOW HERE AT PSA AND GETTING WORST.

 

[EDUC8-or]

Why Change, we are making them money and AZ thinks the pilot groups are happy based on last quarters on time numbers and lower fuel and brake costs. The lines this month are worse than last.
MY QUESTION IS CAN IT GET ANY WORSE?, BRING IT ON! ALL LINES 10 days off sounds great! While we are at it NO OPEN time not even on the net. That will show those pilots.
MORAL AT AN ALL TIME LOW HERE AT PSA AND GETTING WORST.

Yes, the morale is getting worse. More leaves for next month and no open time. Somehow me thinks there is some open time out there, it's just not being published so us reserves can continue to get run ragged. Why not build more lines?

Don't be afraid to let the management in AZ know how you feel, just make sure it's done in a professional manner.

 

[mamba20]

I can assure you that Doug Parker couldn't give 2 poops about PSA and our gripes. Complain all you want, it wont do any good.

 

[Sawmill]

I am not trying to get everyone excited here but I have a few questions. Why is 10 days off so bad? Almost every other profession/job gets 8 days off a month. Also, we only "work" 1000 hours a year at the most. I understand that all the time we are on duty and not flying is free to the company but did we not know that long before we started this career? I hear guys all the time bitch about having to fly more than 4 hours in a day, yet others work 8-10 hours a day. So how bad do we really have it as pilots? Why are we, as a pilot group, always pissed at the management when this a business trying to make a profit? It seems when there is a profitable quarter, which are few and far between, pilots want some, if not all the money.
People, if you are going to be mad at anyone, maybe you should be mad at yourselves first, for going into this line of work. If you want to make what a Delta/UPS/FedEx pilot makes, then you should have gotten into this profession 20 years earlier...and suffer the consequences that the Delta and other mainline pilots are suffering. Hell, be glad you were not making 200K a year and living that lifestyle, only to have 60% or your pay cut. As for me, before you all pile on, I am about as low on a regional (PSA) seniority list as you can get, and I have already made the decision to bail. I'm not mad...I just realize my potential is higher than what I can achieve at the airlines. I look at what I will be making in 5 years at the airlines vs. what I could be making working for myself and there is no comparison. I love to fly, but sitting in a shiny regional jet cockpit, bored out of my skull (except during TO and landing) and having NO latitude on where I make the plane go, is not my idea of a career...its a job at that point. Also, how miserable is it to fly or 70 hours a month yet be away from home for 250+? So Ill just go on my way, make room for the next guy/gal, and be happy flying my KingAir or whatever plane I buy in a few years, from a salary I can afford. I know this post is all over the place with ideas, but it is just what I have been thinking of as of late. Good luck to everyone! Let the pile on commence!

 

[Sawmill]

One more thing...Does anyone honestly think that ALPA, or any other union for that matter, is a good thing? If so, would you please tell me one good thing they have done for pilots lately...and free pizza does not count!

 

[mamba20]

Saw,

Ok here goes. you make some good points but in your first post you pretty much answered your question. We are all worth more then this and its not an easy pill to swallow. We all have our sob story, at least the Delta and NWA guys got a taste of the good life. If they were smart with their 200k a year then they shouldn't in THAT BAD a position. The average annual salary in the country is 39k a year. For people like me who are just starting out in the industry its just as tough in a different way. What was once a bright career is now shadded and we are stuck wondering what to do? I've spent the last 13 years of my life working to become a pilot for an airline so how can I just give up on that? I see your point though and agree with your post for the most part. If you have any ideas then please let me know, I'm all ears. I couldnt care less what I fly, I'm all about QOL. Seriously though, feel free to PM me if you have any ideas.

Secondly, no I can't stand ALPA, they are crooks and do nothing. I feel that all I do is pay 50 bucks a month for a magazine and if I did manage to lose my job then in 10 years when it finally goes to arbitration I might get my crappy regional job back.

Now, let the piling commence on both of us!

 

[WSurf]

Hmmm, you make comments about people whinning and crying about their job only to turn around at the end and complain yourself about being away from home and saying you are out of the industry!
You might need to seek professional help!
Regional Airlines are what they are, no more-no less!

 

[mamba20]

I think is was more of a retorical question on his part. actually I thought it was a pretty good post.

 

[Sawmill]

Mamba:
Fortunately for me, I have not been with the company long enough to have to pay the extortion to ALPA. I sympathize with you and agree that you can not just leave at this point (easily) with all you have invested. Unfortunately, with time, things change and this once wonderful profession, has morphed into job. The only suggestion I have (and like everyone else, these are just my opinions that may be right or wrong) is to take complete stock in what you have to offer and what really makes you happy...then make a logical decision as to what you are going to do. Why suffer for the next 20 years only to have to deal with a whole new set of circumstances that we have not even thought of yet? Things may be better or may be worse. The industry is just to voltile for me...and when you factor in the fact that you can be canned for just about anything...well you get the point. For me, I want more control of my life and I completly understand there are no guarentees...but why not have SOME control? Flying a jet is cool...but not that cool.

 

[WSurf]

Yea, I agree with it. But I think a lot of blame on what has happened to regionals has been brought along by ALPA (Like you, I don't enjoy my 1300.00 a year Mag) and us. JO said that he pays his pilots at Mesa too much money already, since he can fill a new hire class each month. Being part of ALPA any contract that was signed and sealed should have raised the bar in terms of works rules and pay.
Yes, this industry sucks..... And if you can get out I would say do it!

 

[mamba20]

Question: Why is it that we all know that it sucks but we do NOTHING about it? There is never anything more then talk and when it comes down to strikes they never happen because we have no spine? Seriously why is it that we cant change anything around here. We all have the same goal but yet none of us can get along and collectivly make it better for us now and for future generations of pilots.

I would love to get, I really would, but at the same time I've invested my life into this and I cant just say screw this on general principle. I guess part of me still believes that I can have a good life doing this. Maybe not with an airline but lets face it, outside of the airlines the good jobs are few and far between.

 

[328dude]

Yea, I agree with it. But I think a lot of blame on what has happened to regionals has been brought along by ALPA (Like you, I don't enjoy my 1300.00 a year Mag) and us. JO said that he pays his pilots at Mesa too much money already, since he can fill a new hire class each month. Being part of ALPA any contract that was signed and sealed should have raised the bar in terms of works rules and pay.
Yes, this industry sucks..... And if you can get out I would say do it!

What he said...

 

[Sawmill]

WSurf:
I never said I was immune to the pissing and moaning...Ive been here a short time and almost from day one I found myself doing so. That is sad if you think about it...already on the defensive so early on. So why continue the insanity if the good parts of this job are far out-weighed by the bad? You are right though...I was complaining about complainers. For that I am sorry...but I still do not understand why so many pilots sound so miserable yet continue to fly.
Like I said, I am not trying to excite eveyone here...I am sure flying is a lot of peoples true calling (just not mine I guess)...and venting is necessary.

 

[WSurf]

Saw,
Your right, and I apologize for kinda jumpin you. But this industry is full of complainers and I can't answer why we complain so much. Maybe we just have too much time in hotels and in cruise. I know people that even if given a job making 200k a year as a FedEx pilot they wouldn't change at all.
I think you answered a bit of the question why we complain... Many of us pilots like to control our surroundings, kinda in our blood being pilots. And too not have control of Sched, Pay, Work rules etc turns us into complainers.
I love flying, but at the same time I don't like some of the bs that goes along with it. I only hope that the industry can turn around...

 

[Sig]

I only hope that the industry can turn around...

Of course it will turn around, B! The problem is nobody knows what that will mean, or when it happens... Turn around versus this being a good career versus a stable blue-collar paycheck? I don't know.

 

[EDUC8-or]

Saw,
Your right, and I apologize for kinda jumpin you. But this industry is full of complainers and I can't answer why we complain so much. Maybe we just have too much time in hotels and in cruise. I know people that even if given a job making 200k a year as a FedEx pilot they wouldn't change at all.
I think you answered a bit of the question why we complain... Many of us pilots like to control our surroundings, kinda in our blood being pilots. And too not have control of Sched, Pay, Work rules etc turns us into complainers.
I love flying, but at the same time I don't like some of the bs that goes along with it. I only hope that the industry can turn around...

I avoid the crew room in CLT because it can get so frickin negative in there. I'm a glass is half full guy and try to stay positive and keep a positive outlook, but it's hard when you're flying with a guy who b*tches and moans for 3-4 days. I'm not jumping on you, just agreeing with your comments on complaining.

Like you, I love flying as well. I spent 8 years doing something else, and the reason I left was all the BS that came along with the job. Most jobs are the same way, you have to wade through the crap and see if it's worth it to stick around...