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[Av8tor1]

When is PSA going to start hiring people for those new jets they are expecting soon??

 

[Dash8]

as far as i'm aware, psa won't be hiring people into the jets, only j4j'ers and current employees are going into the jet, any hiring would most likely be to fill any vacancies in the dork.

 

[328dude]

There will be no more hiring at PSA for quite sometime. There are no more classes for the Dorniers because if the staffing comes up short as the CRJ classes are filled, the company will get rid of more Dorniers if need be. Atleast the last 6 Dorniers are going away all at once which leaves about 30 to 40 pilots sitting at home for a very long time waiting for class dates or IOE (projected 2-3 monhts paid vacation). As far as hiring goes, we will not need to hire anyone if all the classes are filled with J4J guys. If not, then they will have to hire off the street. Timeframe? 8-9 months.

Sorry.

 

[skeezer]

Atleast the last 6 Dorniers are going away all at once which leaves about 30 to 40 pilots sitting at home for a very long time waiting for class dates or IOE (projected 2-3 monhts paid vacation).

Knowing this company it will be a 2-3 month furlough. I don't like to bash my own company but they are VERY quick to throw out furlough notices. I know this because I was a victim of a 3 month unpaid vacation.

Something to add as well, I beleive our union is trying to work it so furloughed PDT and ALG pilots will get preference if we do hire again soon.

Peace!

Skeezer

 

[328dude]

Actually Skeezer, they can't furlough you. All the J4J's guys are junior to us, thus they can't furlough out of senority regardless of what aircraft your in. It's still one senority list. So, enjoy your time on the beach.....

This was the case when the Dorniers first arrived here way back when.

The Proposal for the ALG and PDT guys is under review by the company. At the last meeting, it looks like they will accept it. Good news for the ALG and PDT guys who would be junior to us, but senior to the J4J's guys.

 

[RUhiring?]

Good news for the ALG and PDT guys who would be junior to us, but senior to the J4J's guys.

I don't doubt this, but how is it that this will happen? Are the wholly owned considered a single carrier? Will the ALG and PDT guys keep their DOH from their respective carrier?

I'm a j4j pilot trying not to tread on anyone.

 

[328dude]

No: The three wholly owned will NOT be a single carrier. There is a combined senority list, but this has been around for quite some time and deals with the flow through at mainline that was in the works. We just still update it, however it will be used for the flowthrough to Mid Atlantic if it get's off the ground.

Like I said, it is just a proposal that is being worked out. Whether or not they accept it as is, is another question. This proposal was drafted by a FO in Dayton and givin to the MEC which in turn gave it to the company were it is under review. They could very well change things to it. ALG and PDT pilots would lose thier DOH and senority number.

Did you decide whether your coming to PSA or not. You guys are going to be on reserve forever.

 

[328dude]

Let me clerify my above post.

J4J's guys can be furloughed, but they have to maintain the 50/50. So, say there is a downturn and they needed 20 pilots on furlough, it would be 10 FO's of ours, and 10 FO's J4J's guys.

Skeezers point is that if they give back atleast the 6 airplanes at once, that would leave approximatly 44 pilots on the PSA side. 22 Captains and 22 FO's. Obviously, they can't furlough all the FO's that are either flying the jet or Dornier to reach the left over Captains. They senority order will be way out fo wack when it comes time to get rid of the last Dorniers. By the time they get rid of the Dornier's, there will be a huge influx of junior guys, flying the CRJ over guys left in the Dornier.

Does that make sense?

 

[Long-Gonner]

Don't be surprised if PSA is hiring shortly after the new year.

 

[pro_geek]

Why do you say that, Long-Gonner?

Do you know something that others don't know?

I've heard others guessing that it'll be more like 2 years before PSA hires off the streeet again.

I'm interested. I'd like to get on there.

Thanks.

 

[Treme]

What did PSA end up doing with respec tto the resolution which would prevent J4J pilots from voting or holding office?

I'm curious since both would violate ALPA bylaws. I sincerely hope that the PSA pilot group is not that short-sighted.

 

[328dude]

Nothing: At the time the MEC was not sure how this whole J4J's thing was going to work. Now that we do, the J4J guys can vote, hold office and are NOT on probation when they come here. They also have dual access.

 

[BTDII]

What did PSA end up doing with respec tto the resolution which would prevent J4J pilots from voting or holding office?

I'm curious since both would violate ALPA bylaws. I sincerely hope that the PSA pilot group is not that short-sighted.

Funny, why would you call it short sighted? I actually think its the ONLY thing this MEC has done in the past 2 1/2 years to protect us. Forget about violations of Bylaws. How about the complete destruction of our contract for the sole bennefit of the Mainline pilots. Oh I guess thats OK by you.

The short-sightedness or rather lack of vision by the Mainline pilots is what has gotten us into this mess in the first place. Now these "people", for the lack of a better word, are coming here taking jobs that don't belong to them, and I'm supposed blindly trust these "people" if he/she ends up holding office on our property? Pleeeeaaaasseee.........! Once they're in office, whats to stop them from changing j4j and taking every d@mm job from the PSA pilots? I say to he!! with'em. They don't belong here and in my opinion they don't deserve to vote!

Now after I've said all that, it really dose'nt matter if they get to vote or not. PSA Pilots haven't been allowed to vote on anything in the past 2 1/2 years. I doubt that this track record will change anytime soon.

 

[RUhiring?]

Did you decide whether your coming to PSA or not. You guys are going to be on reserve forever.

Yes....I was in Dayton today for orientation. Go to YUL on Sunday.

The way I figure it, PSA has about 292 pilots...let's call it an even 300.
PSA has 28 Dornier's.
Replace 28 Dornier's with 60 CRJ's and you will need approximately 600 pilots.
There are 300 PSA pilots senior to me....approximately 1/2 are captains.
I have 12 J4J guys in front of me who will all be Captains soon. Now if there are 300 Captains for 60 CRJ's and half of the Captains are J4J guys, I'll be Captain #163 (150 PSA + 13 J4J).
So the question is, what percentage of the positions at PSA are lineholder/reserve. If there are more than 55% lineholders, then I won't be on reserve forever.

Now obviously I won't be a Captain right away. I'll have to wait for 44 other guys to accept the job or decline it. The more that decline, the sooner I upgrade.

This is just a quick guess. If my math or logic is wrong, please let me know. My best advantage is that I am coming to PSA very early in the J4J program.

 

[RUhiring?]

Now these "people", for the lack of a better word, are coming here taking jobs that don't belong to them, and I'm supposed blindly trust these "people" .......I say to he!! with'em. They don't belong here......

Wow.....I can't wait to fly with you!!

 

[BTDII]

Now obviously I won't be a Captain right away. I'll have to wait for 44 other guys to accept the job or decline it. The more that decline, the sooner I upgrade.

Silly me, I thought the people that've been here for three years waiting to upgrade had it tough.

Wow.....I can't wait to fly with you!!

Wow......The feelings mutual!!

 

[Long-Gonner]

I think the word will get back to the other furloughees how bad it is at PSA, compared to the plush life at mainline. This will cause most APL pilots to wait for Mid-Atlantic. Thats why I think we will be hiring shortly after the new year.

 

[RUhiring?]

Silly me, I thought the people that've been here for three years waiting to upgrade had it tough.

I'm guessing you're one of those three year FO's.

It's a double edged sword for you....a catch 22. Vote no on J4J and possibly get furloughed. Vote yes, and get the current situation. There isn't anything that can be done at this point, it's already set in motion. I see you have 3000 hours, so I assume you are fairly new at this (3 years or so), perhaps after you've been screwed with for 14+ years you'll begin to realize that getting angry and bitching causes more problems than it's worth. Mainly because nobody listens.

 

[Smoking Man]

RUhiring?

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[BTDII]

It's a double edged sword for you....a catch 22. Vote no on J4J and possibly get furloughed. Vote yes, and get the current situation.

Actually, I'd have been happy with at least a vote. A vote for you to take j4j and shove it where the sun don't shine. I'd have rather shut this place down. You people have no ethics.

There isn't anything that can be done at this point, it's already set in motion

And I'm sure that your just heartbroken about that. Considering that your stealing money from someone else.

I see you have 3000 hours, so I assume you are fairly new at this (3 years or so), perhaps after you've been screwed with for 14+ years you'll begin to realize that getting angry and bitching causes more problems than it's worth. Mainly because nobody listens.

I'm not as new to this business as you would like to think so you could spare me the fatherly advice "Dad". As for the advice you offer, well I see it another way. I won't just bend over and take it. It does'nt matter if anybody listens or not. What matters is the truth be told.

I hope you enjoy your time at PSA, and please, don't give a thought to the contract that was destroyed and the lives that will be affected so that you could sit in that seat ahead of one of our own.