PSA to take Envoys 47 CRJ-700's.

[Mercyful Fate]

Ike,

You made a good move to a growing LCC that pays well and has good work rules. Many Regional lifers on here can't see that starting over at an expanding LCC or a Legacy with huge retirements will eventually lead to better pay and resumption of the same QOL they had as senior RJ pilots. The regionals are sinking fast and the lowest bidder is winning. Envoy is a great example. They didn't play the NEW game, and they lost.

All RJ lifers should be looking at any Legacy or LCC, or they can ride the train off the tracks. It ain't getting better.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Get lost. You are a broken record.

 

[I Hate Freight]

Yeah, it was the pilots who demanded that AAG give them all their 700's

It was the pilots who took crap wages and a crap concessionary contract to undercut Envoy to get their airplanes and their flying, while the guys at Envoy stood strong against management rape.

F**k Piece of Sh*t airlines pilots. They can walk home.

 

[flyboyike]

Ike,

You made a good move to a growing LCC that pays well and has good work rules. Many Regional lifers on here can't see that starting over at an expanding LCC or a Legacy with huge retirements will eventually lead to better pay and resumption of the same QOL they had as senior RJ pilots.

It wasn't even that the LCC was growing or had a good contract that was my motivation. Rather, it was that the more senior I got as an RJ pilot, the bigger the target on my back got, and that was obvious to me even when I was still flying GA.

 

[Freebrd]

Was this not expected to happen? Ah well, few more years it may all be over at the Rgls anyway. Hopefully the bigger RJs move over to the majors too.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

It was the pilots who took crap wages and a crap concessionary contract to undercut Envoy to get their airplanes and their flying, while the guys at Envoy stood strong against management rape.

F**k Piece of Sh*t airlines pilots. They can walk home.

Completely agree!:beer:

 

[Dragonbravo]

You see your dream classic car on the lot and inquire about it, but the dealer is asking way to much. You try to talk him down but he doesn't budge. You go back next week, but he still won't budge. He won't even talk about it, the price is firm. You go back next week. He's got to come down sooner or later, right? But you discover that the car has been sold. Not only that, but the dealer got the price he was asking for. Who should you blame for stealing your car, he dealer or the guy who bought it?

 

[CX880]

You see your dream classic car on the lot and inquire about it, but the dealer is asking way to much. You try to talk him down but he doesn't budge. You go back next week, but he still won't budge. He won't even talk about it, the price is firm. You go back next week. He's got to come down sooner or later, right? But you discover that the car has been sold. Not only that, but the dealer got the price he was asking for. Who should you blame for stealing your car, he dealer or the guy who bought it?

Blame yourself for not having enough money to buy that car.

 

[General Lee]

Blame yourself for not having enough money to buy that car.

I bought three of those cars last week. Maybe CX880 can actually do his job and fetch one of my cars for me? I've got your $1 tip waiting, you lazy jackhole!



Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[CX880]

Get lost. You are a broken record.

Thiiiisssss!

 

[WSurf]

All these 900's and now 700's at PSA. Pool of good pilots have dried up! Upgrades will drop to under 2 years and then you'll start seeing Green on Green in the cockpit. This will come back and haunt American Airlines when it come to safety at the Regionals. Mark my words.......

 

[FOAgain]

You see your dream classic car on the lot and inquire about it, but the dealer is asking way to much. You try to talk him down but he doesn't budge. You go back next week, but he still won't budge. He won't even talk about it, the price is firm. You go back next week. He's got to come down sooner or later, right? But you discover that the car has been sold. Not only that, but the dealer got the price he was asking for. Who should you blame for stealing your car, he dealer or the guy who bought it?

Always a sap willing to pay too much.

The worst part is PSA has drawn up a blueprint for managements to deal with contracts. Did any other work groups sign deals to get airplanes? No. Pay caps for flight attendants? Increased health care costs for rampers? They dangle them in front of the pilots and watch them salivate like dogs over a rib bone. Guess who bit. Pathetic.

It's not the position of a professional airline pilot to determine where the company puts THEIR airplanes. At least it didn't used to be.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

You see your dream classic car on the lot and inquire about it, but the dealer is asking way to much. You try to talk him down but he doesn't budge. You go back next week, but he still won't budge. He won't even talk about it, the price is firm. You go back next week. He's got to come down sooner or later, right? But you discover that the car has been sold. Not only that, but the dealer got the price he was asking for. Who should you blame for stealing your car, he dealer or the guy who bought it?

I don't like classic cars or PSA apologists!:smash:

 

[Ops check good]

You see your dream classic car on the lot and inquire about it, but the dealer is asking way to much. You try to talk him down but he doesn't budge. You go back next week, but he still won't budge. He won't even talk about it, the price is firm. You go back next week. He's got to come down sooner or later, right? But you discover that the car has been sold. Not only that, but the dealer got the price he was asking for. Who should you blame for stealing your car, he dealer or the guy who bought it?

Find the guy driving it. Kick the $hit out of him. Take the car back to the dealer, kick the $hit out of him. Take the money the first guy paid for the car, go to the strip club.... Make it rain.

 

[titans10]

It was the pilots who took crap wages and a crap concessionary contract to undercut Envoy to get their airplanes and their flying, while the guys at Envoy stood strong against management rape.

F**k Piece of Sh*t airlines pilots. They can walk home.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[Freebrd]

You see your dream classic car on the lot and inquire about it, but the dealer is asking way to much. You try to talk him down but he doesn't budge. You go back next week, but he still won't budge. He won't even talk about it, the price is firm. You go back next week. He's got to come down sooner or later, right? But you discover that the car has been sold. Not only that, but the dealer got the price he was asking for. Who should you blame for stealing your car, he dealer or the guy who bought it?

Why are you copying & pasting this drivel on different threads. You think it's creative work on your part or something? Well it ain't management weenie!

 

[Eric]

I raise my glass to PSA and American....'may you not be able to staff a single airframe you whipsawing, short-sighted bean counters'. Then I buy the Envoy pilots a beer.

 

[Dragonbravo]

Yes, anyone with a different viewpoint must be a management weenie. I won't attempt to challenge your superior debating skills. I was simply tying to illustrate that AAGs flying does not belong to Envoy by divine right. The moment they voted no, they essentially walked off the car lot, risking that another buyer might meet the dealers price. Envoy felt they were in a position to challenge AAG, PSA felt they were not.

 

[aviator1978]

Bad analogy. Pilots are the classic car. We are limited in number. Eagle and PSA are dealers along with a dozen or so others. All the dealers have roughly the same classic car, and all are wanting a fair price. PSA just sold their classic car for a small percentage of its worth, thereby decreasing the value of the remaining cars, all for the promise of some trade-in in the future that might not happen.

When things are sold simply on promises and not hard cash, the sellers generally have remorse.

Having said all this, I would highly caution against starting at PSA, as any movement they currently have will slam shut soon. I've seen it happen too many times. The only PSA "winners" will be guys already on property for a year or more. And, if you're new, beware of the "winners" for they have shown their true colors, and will sell you even further down river in the future.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Bad analogy. Pilots are the classic car. We are limited in number. Eagle and PSA are dealers along with a dozen or so others. All the dealers have roughly the same classic car, and all are wanting a fair price. PSA just sold their classic car for a small percentage of its worth, thereby decreasing the value of the remaining cars, all for the promise of some trade-in in the future that might not happen.

When things are sold simply on promises and not hard cash, the sellers generally have remorse.

Having said all this, I would highly caution against starting at PSA, as any movement they currently have will slam shut soon. I've seen it happen too many times. The only PSA "winners" will be guys already on property for a year or more. And, if you're new, beware of the "winners" for they have shown their true colors, and will sell you even further down river in the future.

Excellent post!!!:beer:

 

[xjlifer]

Find the guy driving it. Kick the $hit out of him. Take the car back to the dealer, kick the $hit out of him. Take the money the first guy paid for the car, go to the strip club.... Make it rain.

Thats pretty good...mind if I steal it?