PSA to take Envoys 47 CRJ-700's.

[Flyin2low]

ALPA is an association of unions. Figure it out. Airline Pilots Association, not Union. Each airline has a separate union that is associated. Hence ALPA doesn't directly care about any one group over another.

 

[General Lee]

Indeed. I knew to get my time and move on on day one at my first regional. Took seven years and two regionals for that to happen, but I certainly wasn't planning on getting comfortable.

Ike,

You made a good move to a growing LCC that pays well and has good work rules. Many Regional lifers on here can't see that starting over at an expanding LCC or a Legacy with huge retirements will eventually lead to better pay and resumption of the same QOL they had as senior RJ pilots. The regionals are sinking fast and the lowest bidder is winning. Envoy is a great example. They didn't play the NEW game, and they lost.

All RJ lifers should be looking at any Legacy or LCC, or they can ride the train off the tracks. It ain't getting better.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Dragonbravo]

AA is obligated to hire a minimum of 48 pilots a year and are on track to do so for 2014. PSA mgt has the option to hold a pilot hire on property till the end of the calender year for staffing of the new fleet. Earlier this year pilot hires were being held. Not because of staffing for the new fleet but because PSA mgt figured it could save some $$$ and not hire for the projected 117 needs this spring until spring. AA mgt didnt see it that way and has made changes to PSA mgt personel. Currently PSA is filling the required slots to fill the 900 arrivals. No hold has been placed on pilot hires at AA since thei summer.

 

[TheRaven]

So if they're obligated to send 48 a year, how many have they sent so far in 2014?....the year is 2/3 over....have they sent 32?

As a frame of reference Envoy has sent around 180 to AA since January 1.

 

[Dragonbravo]

I don't know the actual numbers but something like that. Yes envoy has sent more, they are bigger and the agreements are different. When the agreement was reached 48 per year was 10% of the senority list.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Ike,

You made a good move to a growing LCC that pays well and has good work rules. Many Regional lifers on here can't see that starting over at an expanding LCC or a Legacy with huge retirements will eventually lead to better pay and resumption of the same QOL they had as senior RJ pilots. The regionals are sinking fast and the lowest bidder is winning. Envoy is a great example. They didn't play the NEW game, and they lost.

All RJ lifers should be looking at any Legacy or LCC, or they can ride the train off the tracks. It ain't getting better.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Get lost. You are a broken record.

 

[I Hate Freight]

Yeah, it was the pilots who demanded that AAG give them all their 700's

It was the pilots who took crap wages and a crap concessionary contract to undercut Envoy to get their airplanes and their flying, while the guys at Envoy stood strong against management rape.

F**k Piece of Sh*t airlines pilots. They can walk home.

 

[flyboyike]

Ike,

You made a good move to a growing LCC that pays well and has good work rules. Many Regional lifers on here can't see that starting over at an expanding LCC or a Legacy with huge retirements will eventually lead to better pay and resumption of the same QOL they had as senior RJ pilots.

It wasn't even that the LCC was growing or had a good contract that was my motivation. Rather, it was that the more senior I got as an RJ pilot, the bigger the target on my back got, and that was obvious to me even when I was still flying GA.

 

[Freebrd]

Was this not expected to happen? Ah well, few more years it may all be over at the Rgls anyway. Hopefully the bigger RJs move over to the majors too.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

It was the pilots who took crap wages and a crap concessionary contract to undercut Envoy to get their airplanes and their flying, while the guys at Envoy stood strong against management rape.

F**k Piece of Sh*t airlines pilots. They can walk home.

Completely agree!:beer:

 

[Dragonbravo]

You see your dream classic car on the lot and inquire about it, but the dealer is asking way to much. You try to talk him down but he doesn't budge. You go back next week, but he still won't budge. He won't even talk about it, the price is firm. You go back next week. He's got to come down sooner or later, right? But you discover that the car has been sold. Not only that, but the dealer got the price he was asking for. Who should you blame for stealing your car, he dealer or the guy who bought it?

 

[CX880]

You see your dream classic car on the lot and inquire about it, but the dealer is asking way to much. You try to talk him down but he doesn't budge. You go back next week, but he still won't budge. He won't even talk about it, the price is firm. You go back next week. He's got to come down sooner or later, right? But you discover that the car has been sold. Not only that, but the dealer got the price he was asking for. Who should you blame for stealing your car, he dealer or the guy who bought it?

Blame yourself for not having enough money to buy that car.

 

[General Lee]

Blame yourself for not having enough money to buy that car.

I bought three of those cars last week. Maybe CX880 can actually do his job and fetch one of my cars for me? I've got your $1 tip waiting, you lazy jackhole!



Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[CX880]

Get lost. You are a broken record.

Thiiiisssss!

 

[WSurf]

All these 900's and now 700's at PSA. Pool of good pilots have dried up! Upgrades will drop to under 2 years and then you'll start seeing Green on Green in the cockpit. This will come back and haunt American Airlines when it come to safety at the Regionals. Mark my words.......