PSA to be sold!

[FR8mastr]

I know what you are talking about, it is not a backdoor deal!! PSA was begged to be a part of it, as it would have eliminated the exact 701 issue you guys are dealing with at this moment. The fact that PSA was briefed and asked repeatedly to go along with it is hardly trying a back door deal. A backdoor deal is claiming that you have no plans on signing 81 and in fact your not even talking to management all the while actually signing off on it without the knowledge of the other two WO. And lying about that fact. (this is what your chaiman did) Bottom line is you got yours, I'm happy for you (I.m serious) better you than any of the contract people. I am only speaking of blaming PDT and ALG for stuff.

 

[328dude]

Look FR8, We should just agree to disagree on this backdoor thing. Staffing the 700 50/50 intially untill you recieved your first 50 seater then 100% percent for the 70 seater after that sounds like a boackdoor to me. You were begging us to give in to 100% percent staffing on that POS before any of this happened. We said no, simply because we stood strong on 50/50. How si that diffrent from what they want now?

However, I hope mainline management dosen't have something in store for us that we are not aware of and we all lose.

 

[FR8mastr]

Your correct lets just agree to disagree

 

[BFE]

What I meant by "backdoor" is that even though you really didn't mean to agree with LOA 83, you actually did.

The agreement ALG & PDT made is LOA 83 in disguise, or a backdoor LOA 83. I never mentioned that the MEC's did anything behind anyone's back.

Whatever you want to call it, PSA demanded 50/50 staffing and have stood by that to this day. The result: the 701 program had been shutdown. Listen to the PSA code-a-phone if you'd like.

If I were to take a guess. PDT (PDT/ALG) will be the ones sold to MESA.

 

[FR8mastr]

I know you guys stood up to management and their boses the ML pilots, very good job, the sooner these pilots at ML realize it's not all about them the better. As far as selling ALG and PDT to Mesa, I dont think it will never happen. Not for any reason other than we are worthless to them. High paid pilots (for a Dash) and no jets or any hope for a jet. ALG and PDT have nothing to offer Ornstien. Unless the business plans change we here at peidagheny are dead men walking

 

[I.P. Freley]

>>>Bottom line is you got yours, I'm happy for you (I.m serious) better you than any of the contract people.<<<

Man, I'm laughing so hard here I'm CRYING... You blame the contract carriers, STILL, for all the problems, blithely ignoring the enemy who's "got your back".

And you're HAPPY for them.

Beautiful.

>>>Unless the business plans change we here at peidagheny are dead men walking<<<

I suppose this is the contract carriers' fault too, eh?

 

[FlyComAirJets]

What is PSA's code-a-phone number, anyway? It is always best to get info straight from the horse's, er, mouth.

Best of luck to all, I'm afraid you are going to need it.

 

[FR8mastr]

IP, no its not the contract carriers fault it is the ML pilots egotistical ignorance by allowing management to outsource so much flying done under the "flag" to the contract carriers just because the aircraft has a prop on it. This was all enabled by pilots willing to work for poverty level wages, or worse yet having daddy pay for a job so the pilot can get experience for a "major" I know you dont agree, that's ok just wait untill the next whore airline comes along and will fly for even less than yours, I hope you remember your comments when you are facing elimination. Its all acedemic because this thread was mainly about WO interaction

 

[LearLove]

I know you guys stood up to management and their boses the ML pilots, very good job, the sooner these pilots at ML realize it's not all about them the better. As far as selling ALG and PDT to Mesa, I dont think it will never happen. Not for any reason other than we are worthless to them. High paid pilots (for a Dash) and no jets or any hope for a jet. ALG and PDT have nothing to offer Ornstien. Unless the business plans change we here at peidagheny are dead men walking

Actually I think there is a good chance the Mesa thing could happen. And if it does the first thing he will do is offer DOH but we will have to give up our contract for Mesa's, then it won't cost him anything and he (JO) can invest more money into U, but get something in return.

Who knows?? Hang on.

 

[Tycer]

"I heard it second hand from a guy that spoke to their CP in PHL on Friday." (Quote from Go Figure")

That's funny Go Figure, but last time I checked we didn't have a Chief Pilot in PHL. He left for JB months ago GO FIGURE!!

 

[Go Figuare]

Um, he's not leaving until the middle of May dicwad.

You can remove it from your mouth now!

 

[GogglesPisano]

Man, I'm having flashbacks of ACA's own near-death experience with the Borg.

If this happens, pilots will per merged per ALPA's merger and fragmentation policy (no staple.) Pilots must go with the aircraft (if there is a scope clause.)

I would suggest an Aero2003.org type of movement to convince the sane people of this industry that the merger would be a bad thing, but PSA is wholly owned.

My prayers are with you guys at PSA!

Let's hope this is just rumor.

 

[BTDII]

I think this is getting a little out of control now. Nobody except those in upper upper mgt. really now whats gonna happen at this point, and even that can change.

One thing that I think is important to keep in mind is that from my very limited reading of LOA 91, (I can only find bits and pieces of it) is that there is a part of it that makes reference to the PSA contract. I goes something along the lines of, "that if PSA is sold, the pilots CBA goes with them". That stipulation would lead me to belive that any future buyer of PSA would be someone who is currently not running an already existing airline. There would have been no need to put that in LOA 91 if PSA were to be sold to mesa, because PSA would have to fall under the mesa pilots CBA.

The next few weeks will be interesting to say the least, but my best "guess" is that there is another buyer out there that nobody has even considered.

 

[I.P. Freley]

>>>no its not the contract carriers fault it is the ML pilots egotistical ignorance by allowing management to outsource so much flying<<<

Wow, this may be the first time I've heard a WO pilot admit this. But then again, just couldn't help yourself, could you, you just HAD to go down the "whore" path.

Congrats. For a moment I thought you'd seen the light, but it all comes back to the contract carriers. Still.

Anyway, if you excuse me, I'd love to participate more here, but.... I have to go steal someone's flying.

 

[SRJ]

Is it possible that Express Jet (CoEx) could be a possible buyer?