PSA The TRUTH

[Jimbodawg]

Stop Salivating over these 900's

First of all, I am a PSA F/O on reserve. I would like to say that JR and TK have repeatedly told us no growth in the forseable future at PSA. NO GROWTH. That is a big clue to us that these 900's would not be growth aircraft, but REPLACEMENTS. Why should we fly the extra seats for free? If operating costs are negligible, that tells me that the extra 33 seats would be pure profit. Why not give us a little? Very little. Some pay... some QOL... something. I guarantee management will even be getting a little extra $$ for managing more seats

Based on 35 CRJ-200s (50 seaters) and 14 CRJ-701s (70 seaters), PSA airplanes average 55 seats. A CRJ-900 at 88 seats adds 33 seats or 60% more.

If they increased our pay 60%... + $17/hr for an FO (based on $28) and + $39/hr for a Capt (based on $65) that would increase the cost of a 1 hour flight by $56.

That is only $1.70 from each of the extra 33 seats.
That is only $0.64 from each of the total 88 seats.
That is less than the cost of ONE buddy pass.

The CRJ-900 is a deal. Just not for us pilots. Certainly not at a 0% pay increase!

60% more seats, 60% more revenue potential, 0% more pay = no deal.

Jimbodawg

 

[iflyjets4food]

First of all, I am a PSA F/O on reserve.

Does this mean you've been there for like 2 years? That is how long it takes to get off reserve, right?

 

[ex j-41]

Does this mean you've been there for like 2 years? That is how long it takes to get off reserve, right?

We will have to see what Feb schedule looks like to see how far back the reserve goes. My guess is 1 year 8 months. If you were here before Feb 2005 then you would most likely have a line in CLT. After that you will be on the fence. Buildup/reserve or full reserve. I saw in January's newsletter that Air Wiskey is taking some flying for one of our 200 because of maint.

Stop Salivating over these 900's
First of all, I am a PSA F/O on reserve. I would like to say that JR and TK have repeatedly told us no growth in the forseable future at PSA. NO GROWTH. That is a big clue to us that these 900's would not be growth aircraft, but REPLACEMENTS. Why should we fly the extra seats for free? If operating costs are negligible, that tells me that the extra 33 seats would be pure profit. Why not give us a little? Very little. Some pay... some QOL... something. I guarantee management will even be getting a little extra $$ for managing more seats

Based on 35 CRJ-200s (50 seaters) and 14 CRJ-701s (70 seaters), PSA airplanes average 55 seats. A CRJ-900 at 88 seats adds 33 seats or 60% more.

If they increased our pay 60%... + $17/hr for an FO (based on $28) and + $39/hr for a Capt (based on $65) that would increase the cost of a 1 hour flight by $56.

That is only $1.70 from each of the extra 33 seats.
That is only $0.64 from each of the total 88 seats.
That is less than the cost of ONE buddy pass.

The CRJ-900 is a deal. Just not for us pilots. Certainly not at a 0% pay increase!

60% more seats, 60% more revenue potential, 0% more pay = no deal.

Jimbodawg

You are 100% correct. It boils down to corporate greed. Nothing more.

 

[paddlehigh]

I was just in ground school and tk advised us that they grew to fast to handle daily operations, so now was the time to fine tune the company and fix what they couldn't handle, sounds like mgm't can't handle the task. "hey guys why don't you fix the f#ck up you created before we give you more growth" sincerely DP

 

[jackson]

interesting

good to know

 

[skydork]

I was just in ground school and tk advised us that they grew to fast to handle daily operations, so now was the time to fine tune the company and fix what they couldn't handle, sounds like mgm't can't handle the task. "hey guys why don't you fix the f#ck up you created before we give you more growth" sincerely DP

Thats got to be the funniest thing I've ever heard. The last 700 got here what, two years ago? If he can't catch up in two years, he is worse than I thought. And he just admitted it! I can't wait to take a bathroom break next month in recurrent when he starts to talk. His words will surely have the ex-lax effect.

 

[svcta]

I was just in ground school and tk advised us that they grew to fast to handle daily operations, so now was the time to fine tune the company and fix what they couldn't handle, sounds like mgm't can't handle the task. "hey guys why don't you fix the f#ck up you created before we give you more growth" sincerely DP

This is more of that B.S. that tehy keep telling people and that people keep believing. Another excuse for mistreating their employees.

We just watched another one get thrown on the pile. Fool me once...shame on you. Fool me twice.......

 

[Smoking Man]

I guess there are some things that never change.

PSA treating there employees like garbage, and at the same time having a story about why schedules and reserve is horrible.

The reason = Control.

:uzi:

IMHO.

 

[iflyjets4food]

Fool me once...shame on you. Fool me twice.......uh, uh, w.w..we won't be fooled again.

It's a saying they have in Texas, and Mr. Bush thinks they have it in Tennessee too.

 

[EDUC8-or]

Been on reserve in CLT for a year and a half. It was REAL rough last month and not much better this month. I asked one of the scheduling supervisors why management doesn't just hire more pilots and they said something about a whole bunch of sick calls. I told them if they ran this place like a real airline and used their reserves for sick calls and REAL emergencies only instead of covering open time and actual flying they wouldn't be running around like chickens with their heads cut off. That didn't go over too well. I also believe there is "Phantom Open Time" that isn't actually put out into open time, but they'll put it on a reserve so no one can pick it up at the increased pay rates. Oh yeah, guess where lots of those IOE lines are going to end up? I'm pretty sure our reserves will end up flying it if there are only 7 guys going through IOE next month.

Also, our scheduling department WILL try and violate your contract. If you don't know the contract they won't say a word. I live in base and they constantly try to put a 4th or even 5th overnight on me, and I always refuse. As soon as I refuse to have my contract violated I am rewarded with 5am hot reserve the next day. This happens on a weekly basis. WEEKLY. When you refuse an assignment because of a contractual violation there are schedulers who will get very nasty and ask if you're refusing to fly.

If you're thinking of coming to PSA I would look elsewhere. Look at SKY, CHQ, or even ASA. Shoot, I would even say Mesa. They treat their employees just as bad, but there's the option for upgrade and some turbine PIC.

 

[WSurf]

Yo EDUC whats Hot Reserve?

 

[WSurf]

Nevermind.. thanks for the PM

 

[Gofish]

If mainline were allowed to operate PSA from Charlotte with their own scheduling, dispatchers, and benefits people, we would be having none of these problems.

 

[Long-Gonner]

I wasn't knocking any person at our Union. Now as for the previous guys...
The lack of integrity is disgusting. I can't believe someone with any common sense would sign that contract. And to top it off they are all so proud of it. Selling out your F/O's shouldn't be something to be proud of. I wish all J4J were slotted so more of the people that wrote the last contract would be affected.

All of the prior MEC guys that voted yes have slotted guys both above and BELOW them. So more slotting wouldn't solve anything.

 

[Long-Gonner]

I am sure the 60+ sick calls per day over the holidays got Tempe's attention. There were many cancellations due to lack of FAs and FOs. I worked and it was miserable. This is what happens when employees are on the wrong side of the balance sheet and treated as liabilities rather than assets.[/quote

I wish that was the case, but it probably went on the record as more negative action from this pilot group.

Mr. Cowbell up there is right, this pilot group needs to take its head out of its ass and start being proactive about having our leaders and MEC make some changes NOW.

What changes would you suggest? Have you ever been to an MEC or LEC meeting to express your views?

 

[Long-Gonner]

If mainline were allowed to operate PSA from Charlotte with their own scheduling, dispatchers, and benefits people, we would be having none of these problems.

WRONG! Ask the mainline guys how their QOL is. They are just as pissed about life as we are, if not more so. Ask them about how they like working for less money than their counter parts out West. According to Parker, "you get what you negotiate"!

Don't read this the wrong way, I'm not happy with PSAs treatment of our pilot group in the least. Its how KH and TK do business: Push the pilots until they push back. The problem is that the same senior guys at PSA that voted in the last contract out of FEAR, won't stand up for themselves out of FEAR! Glad they are out of office!

 

[Weasil]

WEEKLY. When you refuse an assignment because of a contractual violation there are schedulers who will get very nasty and ask if you're refusing to fly.

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My last day at PSA they called me with a junior man assignment extending my trip into the next day... I tried explaining to the idiot scheduler that as of one more flight I was no longer employed by PSA... all she could say was "Are you refusing to fly!" Hahaha.. I just laughed at the stupid bitch and said sure... put it down however you want. I quit! And hung up. To this day she probably still thinks I quit because of her.

PSA is a bottom feeding company.

Yo EDUC whats Hot Reserve?

that's PSA's version of airport ready reserve. They give it to people for 10hrs a day. At least they did when I was there.

 

[Gofish]

Ask mainline about how their schedulers operate...night and day difference from PSA is what I am told.

I have tried to attend MEC meetings but usually my schedule conflicts with this. When you have only 10 days off a month and are forced to pick up to pay your bills it becomes rather difficult. I will try to attend the Prater rally on the 24th and get to the meetings more. I believe our collective will and an open dialogue with Tempe and US East can force change around here.

 

[Mookie]

Weasil,

Had a similar experience, except that they did that to me as I was coming in from last flight prior to furlough. they tried to contact the chief pilot to change my furlough date b/c they were "short" and my cp, gone now, laughed at them.

good riddance...but I do miss the Dornier...

Mookie

 

[Weasil]

Weasil,

Had a similar experience, except that they did that to me as I was coming in from last flight prior to furlough. they tried to contact the chief pilot to change my furlough date b/c they were "short" and my cp, gone now, laughed at them.

good riddance...but I do miss the Dornier...

Mookie

Haha.. that's hilarious (not the part about being furloughed.) What a friggin operation.

 

[Sawmill]

I was hired by PSA a year ago.
I quit PSA 6 months ago.
You have to pick your battles and working at PSA is a losing battle.
Im not at a 121 carrier and couldnt be happier.
Good luck to those of you who stay at PSA. I feel for ya.

 

[Big Dog]

You hear this sort of thing and flying bags of paper in pistons seems absolutely glorious. I applied to PSA over a year ago and never heard word one. I hope now they never find my app.