bizzum
Well-known member
- Joined
- Feb 24, 2005
- Posts
- 240
:beer: One of the funniest things I have read in a while!
Welcome to Flightinfo.com
- Register now and join the discussion
- Friendliest aviation Ccmmunity on the web
- Modern site for PC's, Phones, Tablets - no 3rd party apps required
- Ask questions, help others, promote aviation
- Share the passion for aviation
- Invite everyone to Flightinfo.com and let's have fun
PSA question
- Thread starter Tar Heel
- Start date
- Watchers 21
Welcome to Flightinfo.com
- Register now and join the discussion
- Modern secure site, no 3rd party apps required
- Invite your friends
- Share the passion of aviation
- Friendliest aviation community on the web
:beer: One of the funniest things I have read in a while!
LyodChristmas
Well-known member
- Joined
- Sep 15, 2006
- Posts
- 106
TARHEAL ~ Dude please just listen to us! This is not the place you want to be, we all wish someone had told us not to come here. And for the dude that TRIED to question my post about it being the worst all jet regional... well it sure does look like all the other pilots that work here agree with me!
Let’s Review some things.
Reserve in Charlotte is right now TODAY! 2 years (and I'm not talking about getting a build up line maybe, I'm talking to get a hard line)
Charlotte is the only base you can commute from - Dayton and Knoxville if you’re LUCKY, you might be able to commute on one side. Not one line was commutable on both sides out of Dayton and has not been in months. Corporate makes them like that on purpose.
The MAX days off company wide is usually 14 days (sometimes 15 on a build up)
Very very few lines award all weekends off... So you've got that going for you if you work here 20 years!
They mess up the pay checks quite a bit
The pilot group can't all get on one page because we have too many people with different agenda's. PSA has 5 year FO's waiting to upgrade; Lifers; guys that have interviews soon with majors; and Jet for Jobs guys who are pissed because they are being held 9 month. So everyone wants the union to fight for different things so most of the time nothing is accomplished.
Our contract is very weak, and the company violates it all the time, and the only thing you can do is file a grievance and that will take months if not years to be heard. The company knows this so they just break the rules because all that ever happens is they get a slap on the wrist.
Things we have or don't have:
A decent FO pay rate - 29 bucks an hour second year, and 31 for a 3rd year.
What this means is that you'll be poor very poor. Because not only does the rate suck but other things make it hard for you to make some extra money.
NO duty rigs
Half pay for a dead head
Hot reserve at the airport for 10 hours that they only pay you 1.35 an hour for. Most places either don't have hot reserve or you're paid a Min of 3 or 4 hours if you do have to do it
Schedules that have so few days off it's almost impossible to pick up open trips
The open time is MAYBE updated once a day, but never over the weekend.
Which means it's not LIVE so you could be trying to pick up something that already been awarded to someone else. And it will take a day or two to find out if you are approved or denied, and by then you have missed out on something else.
Trip swapping or Dropping very hard if not impossible, Sometimes you can trade a 4 day for a 4 day but never drop it all together.
If you drop a 3 day and pick up a 4 day you will NOT be paid premium pay for your extra day at work. Otherwise known as SDO pay. The company seems to think that there is a difference between picking up a 4 day and having a 3 day and just finding an out and back (1 day trip) in open time and picking that up. NOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? See what I'm getting at flight school guys? Do you see the scum bag style of Management we have here?
No trip touch for vacations. That means they will fly you right up to the afternoon before the first day of your vacation.
TWO round bidding. Which sucks because if you are right on the line of getting round one or two you never know how many people will bypass round one which means you won't know how far down the list you'll be pushed.
If you’re on reserve and you're a commuter have fun because they don't care and will give you 5am hot reserve your first day and fly you till midnight on your last day. Kind of like I'm doing tomorrow!
You will be required to be current on both airplanes and will not be paid near enough money for your troubles.
HUGE sits at the airport in between flight, I'm doing 4 hours tomorrow. All so I can get back too late to get home.
Trips like this:
First day show at 5am. 6 Legs worth 4 hours of pay
Second day 2 legs worth maybe 2 hours of pay. Get to PNS check for bed bugs at the Microtel (yes the F-ing Microtel)
Show time changes to late shift. day 3 maybe 3 or 4 legs. Get to Savannah late looking for food and you'll notice there is none for miles (a complete violation of the contract, but does this get changed NOOO and you'll lie in bed asking yourself why do I pay union dues?) So once you can't fall asleep from hunger you can walk down to the lobby and buy your ass some microwave meatball from the skany chick that works there. Oh and PS they lock the doors to the hotel because it's in such a nice part of town, I spent Christmas there and I had the microwave food for Christmas diner!
Day 4 late show... 6 or 7 legs or even better maybe 3 or 4 legs with a two 3 hour sits thrown in. Get home mad late!
Overnights with people way older then your parents who just want to slam click. Which in reality won't matter because the overnight is probably around nothing fun or it's so short you just need to go to bed.
A commuter policy that has not been approved by the union and was only put out there to try and make nice when the 900 negotiations were going on. The commuter policy is not recognized by the union and is basically useless, and has some messed up things they can do to you when you call in and try to use it.
Oh ya, The 900's. About every few months the company will come to us and ask if we want to fly them for 50 seat rates. The pilot group will say "shove it" and then the company will take back the offer instead of negotiate.
A Fleet that was promised to be 80 airplanes that only grew to around 40. But hey we'll still take all the guys laid off from Mainline even though US Air didn't hold up their end of the deal. Isn't bankruptsy fun!
You will fly with really cool nice guys and girls - but they have been beaten down for so long it's sucked the life out of them and all they do is complain the whole trip, which will make you complain eventually!
Hmm have I said enough PSA Guys or should I go on... And for you guys that don't work here please don't think I'm just being bitchy, any PSA guy on here can back this up.
Anyways, the list goes on and on and on
- For argument sake, you can ask yourself is Mesa or a place like that worse?
Let’s see....
They have almost the same terrible pay rate (which is a few bucks below places like express jet, sky west etc)
They don't have the best contracts...
But wait they do have a fast upgrades
And they do have some growth
And they're probably not part of this crappy US Airways management team.
- - Most of us wish we had someone tell us this before we came, so take this knowledge and put your resume in with another place. They all suck but they don't all suck this bad my friends!
--- If some of us had been smarter and not held out hope we would be gone. The only reason most of us FO's are sticking around is because we really thought things might get better but they didn't and now we have invested too much time. Please don't make the same mistakes we made.
Look at it like this? Is it to our (PSA FO's) advantages to get on here and tell you this? We NEED you to come so we can get some seniority. Thing is that it's so so bad that we can't let you make this mistake!
~ ~ ~ So my flight school friends what have we learned? I think we have learned there is no reason to come here!
Let’s Review some things.
Reserve in Charlotte is right now TODAY! 2 years (and I'm not talking about getting a build up line maybe, I'm talking to get a hard line)
Charlotte is the only base you can commute from - Dayton and Knoxville if you’re LUCKY, you might be able to commute on one side. Not one line was commutable on both sides out of Dayton and has not been in months. Corporate makes them like that on purpose.
The MAX days off company wide is usually 14 days (sometimes 15 on a build up)
Very very few lines award all weekends off... So you've got that going for you if you work here 20 years!
They mess up the pay checks quite a bit
The pilot group can't all get on one page because we have too many people with different agenda's. PSA has 5 year FO's waiting to upgrade; Lifers; guys that have interviews soon with majors; and Jet for Jobs guys who are pissed because they are being held 9 month. So everyone wants the union to fight for different things so most of the time nothing is accomplished.
Our contract is very weak, and the company violates it all the time, and the only thing you can do is file a grievance and that will take months if not years to be heard. The company knows this so they just break the rules because all that ever happens is they get a slap on the wrist.
Things we have or don't have:
A decent FO pay rate - 29 bucks an hour second year, and 31 for a 3rd year.
What this means is that you'll be poor very poor. Because not only does the rate suck but other things make it hard for you to make some extra money.
NO duty rigs
Half pay for a dead head
Hot reserve at the airport for 10 hours that they only pay you 1.35 an hour for. Most places either don't have hot reserve or you're paid a Min of 3 or 4 hours if you do have to do it
Schedules that have so few days off it's almost impossible to pick up open trips
The open time is MAYBE updated once a day, but never over the weekend.
Which means it's not LIVE so you could be trying to pick up something that already been awarded to someone else. And it will take a day or two to find out if you are approved or denied, and by then you have missed out on something else.
Trip swapping or Dropping very hard if not impossible, Sometimes you can trade a 4 day for a 4 day but never drop it all together.
If you drop a 3 day and pick up a 4 day you will NOT be paid premium pay for your extra day at work. Otherwise known as SDO pay. The company seems to think that there is a difference between picking up a 4 day and having a 3 day and just finding an out and back (1 day trip) in open time and picking that up. NOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? See what I'm getting at flight school guys? Do you see the scum bag style of Management we have here?
No trip touch for vacations. That means they will fly you right up to the afternoon before the first day of your vacation.
TWO round bidding. Which sucks because if you are right on the line of getting round one or two you never know how many people will bypass round one which means you won't know how far down the list you'll be pushed.
If you’re on reserve and you're a commuter have fun because they don't care and will give you 5am hot reserve your first day and fly you till midnight on your last day. Kind of like I'm doing tomorrow!
You will be required to be current on both airplanes and will not be paid near enough money for your troubles.
HUGE sits at the airport in between flight, I'm doing 4 hours tomorrow. All so I can get back too late to get home.
Trips like this:
First day show at 5am. 6 Legs worth 4 hours of pay
Second day 2 legs worth maybe 2 hours of pay. Get to PNS check for bed bugs at the Microtel (yes the F-ing Microtel)
Show time changes to late shift. day 3 maybe 3 or 4 legs. Get to Savannah late looking for food and you'll notice there is none for miles (a complete violation of the contract, but does this get changed NOOO and you'll lie in bed asking yourself why do I pay union dues?) So once you can't fall asleep from hunger you can walk down to the lobby and buy your ass some microwave meatball from the skany chick that works there. Oh and PS they lock the doors to the hotel because it's in such a nice part of town, I spent Christmas there and I had the microwave food for Christmas diner!
Day 4 late show... 6 or 7 legs or even better maybe 3 or 4 legs with a two 3 hour sits thrown in. Get home mad late!
Overnights with people way older then your parents who just want to slam click. Which in reality won't matter because the overnight is probably around nothing fun or it's so short you just need to go to bed.
A commuter policy that has not been approved by the union and was only put out there to try and make nice when the 900 negotiations were going on. The commuter policy is not recognized by the union and is basically useless, and has some messed up things they can do to you when you call in and try to use it.
Oh ya, The 900's. About every few months the company will come to us and ask if we want to fly them for 50 seat rates. The pilot group will say "shove it" and then the company will take back the offer instead of negotiate.
A Fleet that was promised to be 80 airplanes that only grew to around 40. But hey we'll still take all the guys laid off from Mainline even though US Air didn't hold up their end of the deal. Isn't bankruptsy fun!
You will fly with really cool nice guys and girls - but they have been beaten down for so long it's sucked the life out of them and all they do is complain the whole trip, which will make you complain eventually!
Hmm have I said enough PSA Guys or should I go on... And for you guys that don't work here please don't think I'm just being bitchy, any PSA guy on here can back this up.
Anyways, the list goes on and on and on
- For argument sake, you can ask yourself is Mesa or a place like that worse?
Let’s see....
They have almost the same terrible pay rate (which is a few bucks below places like express jet, sky west etc)
They don't have the best contracts...
But wait they do have a fast upgrades
And they do have some growth
And they're probably not part of this crappy US Airways management team.
- - Most of us wish we had someone tell us this before we came, so take this knowledge and put your resume in with another place. They all suck but they don't all suck this bad my friends!
--- If some of us had been smarter and not held out hope we would be gone. The only reason most of us FO's are sticking around is because we really thought things might get better but they didn't and now we have invested too much time. Please don't make the same mistakes we made.
Look at it like this? Is it to our (PSA FO's) advantages to get on here and tell you this? We NEED you to come so we can get some seniority. Thing is that it's so so bad that we can't let you make this mistake!
~ ~ ~ So my flight school friends what have we learned? I think we have learned there is no reason to come here!
ex j-41
Well-known member
- Joined
- Feb 25, 2005
- Posts
- 881
svcta
"Kids these days"-AAflyer
- Joined
- Nov 14, 2004
- Posts
- 1,767
Tarheel,
if you decide you still want to try and come to PSA even after reading this thread and finding out that there are in fact a lot of guys here that really are pretty miserable...then here is some interview info:
Written - don't know how long or what exactly it covers but obviously ATP stuff so don't screw yourself and be weak on that
HR - usual crap I'm sure...tell me about a time when...probably describe a system or two on the plane you are flying...etc
SIM - typical prehire sim ride in level D CRJ200 sim. Turns, climbs, decents, hold, approachs. They are looking for instrument skills and to find out if you're trainable. Don't get cocky about this it takes more than breathing or just having a pulse to pass this part. I hear they only took 25% of the folks who made it as far as the sim ride a few weeks ago....so obviously muckin this part up will get you a thumbs down (we should all be glad about this part because some people don't belong flying this plane yet).
It's definitely not the best place in the world here, but I'm surviving and you will, too. If you think it's the right choice and you get hired then good luck!
if you decide you still want to try and come to PSA even after reading this thread and finding out that there are in fact a lot of guys here that really are pretty miserable...then here is some interview info:
Written - don't know how long or what exactly it covers but obviously ATP stuff so don't screw yourself and be weak on that
HR - usual crap I'm sure...tell me about a time when...probably describe a system or two on the plane you are flying...etc
SIM - typical prehire sim ride in level D CRJ200 sim. Turns, climbs, decents, hold, approachs. They are looking for instrument skills and to find out if you're trainable. Don't get cocky about this it takes more than breathing or just having a pulse to pass this part. I hear they only took 25% of the folks who made it as far as the sim ride a few weeks ago....so obviously muckin this part up will get you a thumbs down (we should all be glad about this part because some people don't belong flying this plane yet).
It's definitely not the best place in the world here, but I'm surviving and you will, too. If you think it's the right choice and you get hired then good luck!
The other airlines have a lot of resumes, yes they do. But PSA has about 3. At a recent job fair PSA collected 4 resumes, then one guy asked for his back to give to a better place.
LIfe is getting rough for PSA management, other commuters are offering cash bonuses to new hires. Pinnacle is offering $1500 for a new hire with no airline experiance. Mesa and Republic are offering cash for new hires already qualified on thier equipment. PSA is offering a 5 year upgrade with abuse and degredation on a daily basis.
If you know anyone at Pinnacle give them a call, you get $1500 and your friend gets $500 if you get hired.
Or if you still want to come to PSA than go for it.
RF
Didn't Pinnacle just loose 15 A/C to mesaba.
Lazy8
Registered Parrot Head
- Joined
- Apr 3, 2004
- Posts
- 789
Yep. And they just got a new contract with Delta for 16 CRJ 900s starting in December. Who was it saying they wouldn't get anymore flying while the pilot contract was still in negotiations? So much for that crystal ball.
g
LandRoverNut
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jan 29, 2005
- Posts
- 142
RUN!!!!!! RUN!!!!!!!!
No wait if you come here you'll be junior to me. Think LandRover Think. Yes, PSA is great we have new airplanes, great bases.
Good Luck on the interview!!!!!
On second thought, Captains aren't leaving fast enough for it to matter, a lot of junior FO's are leaving for signing bonuses else where.
Upgarde will still be 5 years, O well guess I am stuck here.
Good Luck My friend!
No wait if you come here you'll be junior to me. Think LandRover Think. Yes, PSA is great we have new airplanes, great bases.
Good Luck on the interview!!!!!
On second thought, Captains aren't leaving fast enough for it to matter, a lot of junior FO's are leaving for signing bonuses else where.
Upgarde will still be 5 years, O well guess I am stuck here.
Good Luck My friend!
Thermocouple
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jan 10, 2006
- Posts
- 46
No one is stuck, you can always quit. This is not slavery, you can make a choice to work at another company or another career if you decide it is beneficial to you.
PSAChiefPilots
Well-known member
- Joined
- May 20, 2005
- Posts
- 272
ex j-41
Well-known member
- Joined
- Feb 25, 2005
- Posts
- 881
Actually it was top of the payscale at 150 hours a month!
ex-PSACPSP
Thats a lot more then the $21,459 that i made last year!
Heard that yesterday there was 12 flights cancelled because of no crews. I know, don't believe everything you hear, but this was from a gate agent working the special services counter.
PSA could find pilots and staff the airline properly... they just have to be willing to make changes. And some could come at no cost at all...ie schedule improvements. And others will cost some cash, like hotel changes. I guess management is going to have to wake up and realize this is 2007 not 1984 and decent hotel rooms cost more than $35/night. And $1.34 doesn't cover much in the way of airport food. People all accross the country are willing to pay $3/gallon for gas, so raise the ticket price $50 and pay your employees (Not CEO's) properly.
LandRoverNut
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jan 29, 2005
- Posts
- 142
Thanks for the support D328Pilot!! I am not stuck, but it is hard to see a good airline go down right before our eyes. If I didn't have loans and a morgage yea I would be outa here but it's just not that easy.
Share this page
Latest resources
-
-
-
-
-
AC 90-89C - Amateur-Built Aircraft and Ultralight Flight Testing HandbookAmateur-Built Aircraft and Ultralight Flight Testing Handbook
- Neal
- Updated:
