PSA MEC says NO to mainline

[boeingdriver213]

Well, if someone doesn't blink soon, I can see Mesa getting the 700s, PSA getting nothing except the possbility of no future jet deliveries, and possible suspension of hiring, or even furloughs. I understand that 2 RJ2 deliveries were cancelled this week....

 

[328dude]

I am only aware of a 701 that was supposed to be picked up Friday was cancelled. Last I heard, the 50 seat delievery's are still on schedule. 10 50 seaters for May.

 

[boeingdriver213]

It would be great to see PSA grow and kick some regional butt. I hope things get worked out soon so we can all move on to the next adventure over the horizon....

 

[91100 100 set]

an inflated sense of entitlement?

328, I would not have responded had you not capitalized the "no" in your response.

Having said that, your comment is hauntingly similar to the attitude that split the 3 wholly owned carriers two years ago when Siegal opened the hatch to the bowels of the industry for us to be lured into. We are all group pilots (despite the facts that the mainline MEC is ignorant of this and management prefers to cultivate the contrary), hence we are all in this together. Don't you agree? I certainly hope so...

 

[328dude]

91: I pulled out the caps since someone tryed to turn this into another PFT debate.

However, I do agree with that all three of us our group pilots and in this together. The future of those airplanes are certainly in question on this property due to some big issues on who get's to fly them. However, I think you and I both seem to know where they will go since all three of us agree on 50/50.

I'm glad the PSA guys did what they did. Would you J4J's guys agree to 100% percent staffing by original PSA pilots?

Didn't think so.

 

[Long-Gonner]

328dude. You must remember that the mainline pilots feel that they "own" all the flying at Group. I guess that means us commuter jockeys should be happy with 20 or so CRJ200s at 50/50.

 

[Swaayze]

It seems that PSA's interests would be better served at this point by allowing 100%. Keep reading and I'll explain, then y'all can gripe! But...I really don't care one way or the other anymore, just an interested bystander at this point.

In reality you'd probably end up with about 25% of the next 60 airplanes' seats filled by J4J. First, the FO list is closed, so all right seats will be PSA/street pilots. More importantly to your cause, I suspect you'll only see another 100 J4J pilots or so come to PSA as Captains. They are within about 400 of the bottom of the APL to fill PSA C/O slots already and I'd estimate only about 150 of those are preferencing PSA. Many people who've preferenced it are passing too. So, principle aside, the smart move may be to agree. But sometimes you gotta stand up for principle - if this is a good time for you guys to do so, go for it!

Hopefully it's all just more BS from what's gotta be the worst management in the business.


Good luck to everyone under the thumb of U Group.

 

[328dude]

Swaazye: FIrst off, were you at now? TUL?

Second. If we would have agreed to that proposal, the 50 seaters would be staffed 50/50 per J4J. We would have agreed to allow the 70 seater to be flown by 100% percent mainline folks. Why would the PSA folks benefit from this. I'm sick of tired of hearing were we are att on the APL list. Nobody knows for sure, and we still face the same scenario.

I think the risk is to great for the orginal PSA pilots.

 

[ChinaClipper]

The post should read....

PSA doesn't give in AGAIN to Management......They have already gone backwords. Geez, MAINLINE ALPA has undercut Mesa for gosh sakes! How come Wholly-owned's type are always complaining about those that give in but don't wanna do the dirty deed themselves? Why not make the buck stop there? Why? Basically becasue its easier to complain while no skin comes of their collective arses, that's why... No recall of MEC types? No Vote the ALPA types out etc? Just whining about Mesa et al and "...my avatar is cool, my shades are cool, I am a pilot and there fore cool, see my cool uniform, I used to work for a cool operation, I fly cool turbo props. I am so cool, come blossom in the sunshine of my coolness...." The only thing missing to top off such "cool" and professional behavior is the use of the word "Dude", as a verb, noun, pro noun and occasional dangling modifier. If One Tuff R ectum would channel some of his hatred toward the managers that orchestrate this BS, in stead of flaping his boyfriend satisfyer, some progress just may be made....Cool, eh?

 

[91100 100 set]

where does the APL stand?

328, another sidebar, it does seem to be a big freaking mystery as to where we are with the APL. I was lamenting this very thing with a coworker a few weeks ago in the PHL crewroom, and a J4J CHQ guy happened to overhear us. So he was kind enough to pull it right up on the USAirways ALPA website for me and print it out. I have been harrasing my own MEC for months about making this information available to the WO'd pilots, as this can and will have major implications if and when MDA becomes available for us. With no luck. The information is out there, but something (political reasons? an oversight?) is preventing us from seeing it. The list is a little hard to follow, as there are several codes which would need to be explained to me, but I am mystified that the WO'd pilots cannot view this information.

 

[boeingdriver213]

The j4j guys are not entirely in the know either. The information we get is only recieved after we get in their faces enough to make them give it to us to shut us up. We are a niusance to mainline and a pain the the WOs. Other than that, life is good.

 

[Swaayze]

First, the APL is not a mystery. My class was just called for May C/O slots and we're less than 500 numbers from the bottom of the APL. 117 pilots junior to me have a PSA C/O preference (as of 3/31) plus 15-20 who are already there as J4J F/Os. I suspect this will yield maybe 50 C/Os, and then they go back up the list offering to those who've bypassed. Depending on what happens in the next couple of weeks this could yield very few or maybe as many as another 100 or so.

If indeed PSA has lost the 70 seaters then I guess it would've been a benefit for you to agree. This (the 100% for 700s) was, after all, the same thing negotiated initially by the mainline side of the fence and wasn't really a surprise (although the quick timeline was pure BS). Both the pilots and management at PSA have known this requirement for quite some time.

I hope it hasn't cost you guys the whole program. I would've told them to pound sand too if I was a PSA rep I'm sure. Personally I think it just went this way so they can blame you for the deliveries being sold to JO, which was the plan all along most likely.

328Dude I'm still in Tulsa. Unemployed since GP stopped scheduled ops in late Jan. I have passed a number of J4J opportunities (reasons too numerous to list) and I will (God willing) be employed as an airline pilot again in a week.

Sincere best of luck to all at U Group, and all of us everywhere for that matter. Doesn't seem to matter who you try to fly for, it's all a crap shoot anymore anyway.

 

[Smoking Man]

For a program that was/is to be axed I guess they should not have delivered another 701. I guess someone did not get the memo.

 

[bogberto]

It is ALPA's policy to have all 70-seat jets flown by mainline pilots. They are doing it any way they can. How long is it going to take you people to figure out where this stuff comes from?

That's exactly what Johnny got all the Freedom-A types to believe. Care to clarify if your statement only applies to U or to every mainline carrier?