Some of you guys are something else, and I just had to get off the other PSA thread before I got sick.
What makes you guys offer opinions without checking any facts?
Well, here are some facts for your enjoyment and perhaps enlightenment.
PSA currently pays a blended rate for the CRJ200/700 that is as follows:
5 year capt $68.44/ 10 year capt $78.94/ 15 year capt $89.24
The average pay for CRJ700/900 and EMB170 carriers in the U.S.:
5 year capt $67.50/10 year capt $78.50/15 year capt $90.40
Even if you include US Airways and JetBlue EMB190 100 seat rates in the averages the pay would not change much:
5 year capt $69.83/ 10 year capt $80.42/ 15 year capt $90.66
Here is some more info, Comair with their formerly leading industry contract pays as follows for their CRJ700 rate:
5 year capt $64/ 10 year capt $74/ 15 year capt $87
Let's look at some other popular players, how about the Mesa CRJ900 rate:
5 year capt $67/ 10 year capt $77/ 15 year capt $87
Let's see if we can get those GJet haters stirred up. Here is their CRJ700 rate:
5 year capt $64/ 10 year capt $74/ 15 year capt $84
Looks a lot like the Comair rate doesn't it?!? They must have an industry leading contract!
Let's take a look at our friends at Skywest who fly the CRJ200 and CRJ700 for the same rate and probably shortly the CRJ900s as well:
5 year capt $63/ 10 year capt $74/ $15 year capt $86
Well, if that's not enough let's take a look at what the folks at Republic are flying the EMB170 72 seaters for, that were formerly flown by a MidAtlantic division of US Airways mainline by mainline pilots:
5 year capt $68/ 10 year capt $79/ 15 year capt $92
Not enough yet? Let's look at JetBlue and what they pay their "mainline crews" to fly the 100 seat EMB195s:
5 year capt $77/10 year captain $85/ 15 year captain $89
Maybe we should look at a legacy carrier and what they pay to fly the EMB190s. How about US Airways:
5 year capt $86/ 10 year capt $95/ 15 year capt $95
So what may we conclude? Perhaps that the folks at PSA and the other carriers are all scabs, right?!? But that wouldn't be right, they can't all be scabs or the bottom of the industry.
Yeah let's give the folks at PSA some advice!
First of all, stand up to management like Air Wisconsin did and demand an RJ85 payscale to fly the CRJ900. But, that didn't work since they are not getting any CRJ900s, or any other expansion since they made that move.
Maybe they should stand up to management and the mainline demands like ACA did and lost it's United flying. Or, wasn't it that very thing that lost all of the United flying for Air Wisconsin as well. Thank God that they had the money to buy US Airways flying or they would be gone like FlyI.
And, this strategy worked so well for TransStates, they said no to the CRJ700 rates and TransStates said hello to GJet. Worked well for ExpressJet too didn't it? Lost 69 jets worth of flying with the rest out for bid.
Yeah, lets not talk about the concessions and loss of flying at Comair, the imminent strike at Mesaba and their loss of all RJ85s, 10 CRJ200s and 13 Saabs, and certainly don't mention ASA's loss of CRJ700s and probably CRJ900s to Skywest.
Yeah, lets follow these rocket scientists right on to the maiden voyage of the TITANIC!
When will you people get that you can only get what the market can bear. There will be no industry leading contracts signed with the passenger carriers in the near future, regardless of mainline, legacy, or regional. There is no bargaining power. Look at what happened at US Airways, United, Delta, Northwest, etc.
The best thing we can do is to hold on to as much of what we have and when things return to profitability over a period of time slowly negotiate our way back over a series of contracts.
Should pay, benefits, schedules be better at all levels? Of course they should, but you don't get there by wishful thinking.
If PSA turns down the CRJ900s, I'll bet they'll go to Mesa. And, those guys will not be too proud to fly them, get their upgrade in two years and move on to the majors. In fact, they pay about the same as everyone else.
So, to those folks that think PSA pilots should demand more money to fly them, please share with us specifically what rates do you think they might get in view of what all other carriers are paying?
And, please spare me the garbage about all 70/90 seat flying should be kept at the mainlines. Hello!!! It isn't and you won't change that until and if we get brand scope. Let's talk about reality not fantasy.
And another thing, stop threatening pilot groups with absurd anologies to scabs, race to the bottom, etc. Everyone is taking flying from everyone else, get over it!
What makes you guys offer opinions without checking any facts?
Well, here are some facts for your enjoyment and perhaps enlightenment.
PSA currently pays a blended rate for the CRJ200/700 that is as follows:
5 year capt $68.44/ 10 year capt $78.94/ 15 year capt $89.24
The average pay for CRJ700/900 and EMB170 carriers in the U.S.:
5 year capt $67.50/10 year capt $78.50/15 year capt $90.40
Even if you include US Airways and JetBlue EMB190 100 seat rates in the averages the pay would not change much:
5 year capt $69.83/ 10 year capt $80.42/ 15 year capt $90.66
Here is some more info, Comair with their formerly leading industry contract pays as follows for their CRJ700 rate:
5 year capt $64/ 10 year capt $74/ 15 year capt $87
Let's look at some other popular players, how about the Mesa CRJ900 rate:
5 year capt $67/ 10 year capt $77/ 15 year capt $87
Let's see if we can get those GJet haters stirred up. Here is their CRJ700 rate:
5 year capt $64/ 10 year capt $74/ 15 year capt $84
Looks a lot like the Comair rate doesn't it?!? They must have an industry leading contract!
Let's take a look at our friends at Skywest who fly the CRJ200 and CRJ700 for the same rate and probably shortly the CRJ900s as well:
5 year capt $63/ 10 year capt $74/ $15 year capt $86
Well, if that's not enough let's take a look at what the folks at Republic are flying the EMB170 72 seaters for, that were formerly flown by a MidAtlantic division of US Airways mainline by mainline pilots:
5 year capt $68/ 10 year capt $79/ 15 year capt $92
Not enough yet? Let's look at JetBlue and what they pay their "mainline crews" to fly the 100 seat EMB195s:
5 year capt $77/10 year captain $85/ 15 year captain $89
Maybe we should look at a legacy carrier and what they pay to fly the EMB190s. How about US Airways:
5 year capt $86/ 10 year capt $95/ 15 year capt $95
So what may we conclude? Perhaps that the folks at PSA and the other carriers are all scabs, right?!? But that wouldn't be right, they can't all be scabs or the bottom of the industry.
Yeah let's give the folks at PSA some advice!
First of all, stand up to management like Air Wisconsin did and demand an RJ85 payscale to fly the CRJ900. But, that didn't work since they are not getting any CRJ900s, or any other expansion since they made that move.
Maybe they should stand up to management and the mainline demands like ACA did and lost it's United flying. Or, wasn't it that very thing that lost all of the United flying for Air Wisconsin as well. Thank God that they had the money to buy US Airways flying or they would be gone like FlyI.
And, this strategy worked so well for TransStates, they said no to the CRJ700 rates and TransStates said hello to GJet. Worked well for ExpressJet too didn't it? Lost 69 jets worth of flying with the rest out for bid.
Yeah, lets not talk about the concessions and loss of flying at Comair, the imminent strike at Mesaba and their loss of all RJ85s, 10 CRJ200s and 13 Saabs, and certainly don't mention ASA's loss of CRJ700s and probably CRJ900s to Skywest.
Yeah, lets follow these rocket scientists right on to the maiden voyage of the TITANIC!
When will you people get that you can only get what the market can bear. There will be no industry leading contracts signed with the passenger carriers in the near future, regardless of mainline, legacy, or regional. There is no bargaining power. Look at what happened at US Airways, United, Delta, Northwest, etc.
The best thing we can do is to hold on to as much of what we have and when things return to profitability over a period of time slowly negotiate our way back over a series of contracts.
Should pay, benefits, schedules be better at all levels? Of course they should, but you don't get there by wishful thinking.
If PSA turns down the CRJ900s, I'll bet they'll go to Mesa. And, those guys will not be too proud to fly them, get their upgrade in two years and move on to the majors. In fact, they pay about the same as everyone else.
So, to those folks that think PSA pilots should demand more money to fly them, please share with us specifically what rates do you think they might get in view of what all other carriers are paying?
And, please spare me the garbage about all 70/90 seat flying should be kept at the mainlines. Hello!!! It isn't and you won't change that until and if we get brand scope. Let's talk about reality not fantasy.
And another thing, stop threatening pilot groups with absurd anologies to scabs, race to the bottom, etc. Everyone is taking flying from everyone else, get over it!
