PSA CRJ 701's

[Long-Gonner]

Actually both Rick and Olaf layed out the plan for the reverse LOA 83 to the psa mec back in Aug or Sep at an open regular scheduled meeting of the psa mec. At that time the psa mec decided to stand firm on 50/50 for all aircraft no matter when they are taken delivery of. With a little luck, it looks like the 50/50 across the board just might happen.

 

[328dude]

Just to clerify, there is no off the street hiring going on, and don't expect to in a very long time. They are not even taking resume's as of the other day.

ALG and PDT's fate although dim, is of great concern to this pilot group. We have not forgotten and will help our fellow brothers or sisters as much as possible if that does if you go away.

However, I speak of only my belief and opinion and what I hope will happen if sadely they desolve ALG or PDT.

Long gonner is correct, it is on paper what ALG and PDT MEC's have sort of agreed to to bring RJ's to your property's. However, it is going against what the three wholly onwed stood up for (50/50) when this whole thing started in the beginning. PSA still stands firm on 50/50 or nothing and have from the start. ALG and PDT did at first, but that is not the case now.

However, I think it's a moot point at this time.

 

[Go Figuare]

Dude, you are full of #hit? I'd like to see this on paper that we will let the 700's come here at 100 percent mainline if we get 50 seaters.

I also heard a rumor on another site that PSA might not be getting all 60 50-seaters that were ordered.

How bout them apples.

 

[MECH]

Just remember that Northwest pilots get paid 171 to 193/hour to fly a 78 seat airplane. Do not sell yourself short.

 

[Long-Gonner]

wow, comparing a major airline that flys 747s to the Orient to a regional that currently has less than 40 total aircraft. What a DC9 pilot at a major makes will have no effect on our pay rates at PSA. What will have an effect: Eagle, Horizon, Skywest, Air Wisc, ASA, Comair, and unfortunately MESA. I don't think anyone intentionally goes in to a negotiation with the purpose of "selling themselves short".

 

[328dude]

Go Figuare:

Please leave the sandbox. Please review your own website for any further information before you respond without the facts.

Unlike PDTGimp and Dash which can have a civilized discussion on this board, you simply are not listening to what is going on, or would rather not. Go back to as you say, "Ponder the future of Airways". It will put you back in your happy place.

Thanks for the apples.

 

[UPSer]

Be careful how you draw this comparison. It is true the UPS has a common rate for all types. So did CAL before their last contract.

However, the IPA did NOT do what Skwest has done. The IPA did not agree to fly 747's for 727 pay rates (which would be the equivalent of what Skywest has done, i.e., agree to fly up to 99 seats for 50-seat scale).

What the IPA did was lower 747 scale (slightly) and agree to fly 727's, etc., for higher than normal rates. That's a HUGE difference in technique/strategy.

I believe that our pay is based on the 767, and on the new contract i've heard that we are going to try and base it on even larger A/C like the A-300 or MD-11 as the number of smaller planes in the fleet goes down and the number of larger ones increase.

 

[BTDII]

Dude, you are full of #hit? I'd like to see this on paper that we will let the 700's come here at 100 percent mainline if we get 50 seaters.

I also heard a rumor on another site that PSA might not be getting all 60 50-seaters that were ordered.

How bout them apples.

Go Figuare,

If you don't belive him, just ask your reps to furnish you with the memo written to Duane Worth, Bill Pollock, and Olav Holm dated December 14th, 2003. It should clear up any questions you might have about what your reps are willing to do.

For your second statement, well, if we don't get everything that was ordered for us, hopefully it will at least stay within the US Airways Group. Remember that that should be the real goal here, while also keeping in mind that along with the initial orders came options that are in excess of 300 aircraft. So just because nothing positive has happened on the ALG and PDT properties yet does'nt mean this is the absolute end.

Good Luck

And for those of you who belive that no one at PSA is trying to do whats right for ALG and PDT. This was written by a nobody 2 year FO at PSA and passed by a 6 to 0 vote by our MEC to be sent to the negotiating committee. Where unfortunately it has sat due to other issues taking priority.

It was a step in the right direction and would have helped any of your furloughed pilots. Although it has'nt gotten very far and it is now passed the point in time where it would have made a difference, it at the very least shows you how a great many of our pilots are willing to offer help.



Revision 3 September 5, 2003
Preferred Hiring Proposal

Proposal Between PSA Airlines (PSA) and the Airline Pilots in Service of PSA Airlines

Definitions:

“Combined Seniority List #1” is a reference to the current Wholly Owned Combined Seniority List for the purposes of flow to MidAtlantic and US Airways Mainline.

“Combined Seniority List #2” is a reference to what would be the Combined Seniority List of Allegheny and Piedmont Airlines only.

“Company” means PSA Airlines, Inc., its successors and assigns.

“Date of Hire” means the day a pilot enters training with the Company for the duties of a pilot.

“Furlough” means the removal of a pilot from active duty as a pilot due to a reduction in force or the period of time during which such pilot is not in the active employ of the Company as a pilot due to such reduction in force.

“Longevity” means the period of time, used for pay and benefit accrual purposes, commencing from date of hire.

“New Hire Position ” means any position that is created when a Jets for Jobs position is not claimed by a Pilot on the US Airways Affected Pilot List (APL) and reverts to the Company.

“Off the Street Pilots” means any pilot who is employed after August 1, 2003 by PSA Airlines Inc. through programs or processes other than the Jets for Jobs protocols or this Preferred Hiring Proposal.

“US Airways Affected Pilot List” means those pilots on Furlough from US Airways and eligible for the Jets for Jobs protocols.

Purpose:

To provide the Airline Pilots of Allegheny (ALG) and/or Piedmont (PDT) Airlines with job opportunities in the event of a Furlough at ALG and/or PDT Airlines. The Airline Pilots in service of ALG and/or PDT Airlines shall be referred to as Furloughed pilots so long as they meet the definition of “Furlough” above.


Implementation:

1. All “New Hire” positions created from August 1, 2003 until the date when PSA discontinues operations as a US Airways Express Carrier, shall be given to all furloughed ALG and/or PDT pilots that wish to accept such positions as Airline Pilots in service of PSA Airlines. The Company shall make every effort to make known, available New Hire positions, in a timely manor to the PSA ALPA Merger Committee. The PSA ALPA Merger Committee, working together with The Company, will be responsible for assuring that furloughed ALG and/or PDT pilots that wish to accept positions at PSA are notified of the available positions and class dates.

2. No furloughed ALG and/or PDT pilot shall interview for this position.

3. No furloughed ALG and/or PDT pilot shall give up Seniority at ALG and/or PDT Airlines.

4. No furloughed ALG and/or PDT pilot shall be on Probation.

5. In order for an ALG and/or PDT Pilot to come to PSA under this agreement, he or she must be furloughed as described above.

6. A Combined Seniority List of the ALG and PDT Pilots will be made in cooperation with all three of the ALG, PDT, and PSA MEC’s by Date of Hire then by age with their respective Companies. This list shall be called the Combined Seniority List #2 and be completed before the first CRJ or DO-328 New Hire, Transition, or Up Grade class that takes place after August 1, 2003.

7. The Combined Seniority List #2 of the ALG and PDT pilots will then be stapled to the bottom of the current PSA Pilot Seniority List dated August 1, 2003. This stapled list shall be referred to as the Stapled Seniority List and replace the current PSA Seniority List dated August 1, 2003. All Furloughed ALG and/or PDT Pilots will have a PSA Date of Hire, for the purposes of bidding only, of the Date of this new Stapled Seniority List only when furloughed from ALG and/or PDT.

8. Hiring of furloughed ALG and/or PDT pilots for each class will begin with the most senior furloughed ALG and/or PDT pilot with respect to the Stapled Seniority List.

9. In the event that a furloughed ALG and/or PDT pilot refuses the offer of employment at PSA Airlines under this agreement that person shall be removed from the Stapled Seniority List and not considered for employment under this proposal.

10. Longevity for the purposes of pay and benefits at PSA Airlines will start on the first day of ground school at PSA of the Furloughed ALG and/or PDT Pilot. Not the Date of Hire of the Stapled Seniority List.

11. This agreement in no way affects the three Wholly Owned (ALG, PDT, and PSA) Combined Seniority List #1 with regards to flow to MidAtlantic Airlines or US Airways Mainline.


"Disclamer for those of you who just skim through posts. The above proposal is just that, a PROPOSAL, and has not and most likely will not be ratified due to the amout of time that has past since the PROPOSAL has gone to the negotiating committe."

 

[PDTGIMP]

I stand corrected. That proposal was more than I thought was being discussed at PSA. I only wish it could be ratified and presented to managment.

In regards to the 50/50. Let me clarify the situation alittle. In an attempt to show solidarity to David Bronner a few months ago, we came to an oral agreement with U MEC whereby if 10 701's and 10 50 seaters came to PDT, we would fly the 50 and they would fly the 70. However, if it was all 701's, 50/50 to the end. Regardless, it was 50/50. Why would we suggest this split? Simply, Bruce Ashby and U managment have said they do not want or plan on purchasing any more than 60 50 seaters, as they believe they will be obsolete when competitors start integrating 70 seaters. We figured it was a dead issue, but U MEC is militant in regards to these 701, 705 or any other 70 seat airplane. So, this was our comprimise with them, which we believed could be sold to their MEC and membership, which is stupid anyway that our futures are tied to their members....unbelievable.

Anyway, it doesn't matter 'cause mainline MEC wants 100% anyway...so we are back at square one. Also, I'm almost postivie these 20 70 seaters are allowed under an LOA with U MEC whereby 50/50 is allowed but more than this number means 100% blah, blah....so I'm not too concerned yet.

Happy New Year y'all

 

[Auto-throttle]

Don't pull a "Skywest."

Bye Bye--General Lee

Hey General,

everyone SHOULD pull a skywest.

it's the best place to work. fastest upgrade, good money. and the mormon F/As are HOT.

 

[Go Figuare]

328Dude: I found the letter you mentioned on our website. I didn't even know that our MEC was thinking this. Sorry for jumping down your throat.

I am amazed by this proposel for preferential hiring you say passed by your MEC level's. Kudo's to the guy that wrote it. We figuared most of you guys would leave us for dead especially your MEC.

Again, Sorry 328dude

 

[General Lee]

Autothrottle,

The truth hurts. You guys set the benchmark for excepting growth while getting less pay for flying larger airplanes. And to top it off, your managment pulled a fast one on you---saying that the UA Express deal was in jeopardy, and the next morning at 7AM they announced a deal with UAL. That was ridiculous.

Enjoy all of that snow.

Bye Bye--General Lee