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Private Jets Have More Fatal Accidents Than Commercial Planes

Traderd

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ing-commercial

Great headline, huh? Check out the lead sentence;

"In fatal crashes involving private or charter flights, investigators usually blame careless pilots."

A sample;

"Airline crashes have become rare because carriers take steps to protect against pilot mistakes. The Federal Aviation Administration doesn't regularly inspect many corporate aircraft operators, and pilots are often left to decide when it's safe to land or how many hours they work. "If they don't say yes to every flight, they worry about the owners looking for another flight department," says Melissa Washburn, a pilot who flies business planes."

"Commercial aviation is regulated by multiple tiers of U.S. law, but privately owned aircraft have almost no oversight. "Nobody's paying attention," says Kitty Higgins, who served as an NTSB member from 2006 to 2009. The FAA has begun introducing safety data monitoring for private operations like that used by airlines, but NTSB Chairman Christopher Hart says adding new rules won?t make a difference. "A lot of times we're talking about people who aren't following the regulations anyway, so I'm not sure that more regulation is the answer," he says."

I stuck this in Fractionals because I thought the NetJet guys would appreciate this piece;

"For operators whose flight crews routinely adhere to industry best practices, the likelihood of a fatal accident is greatly diminished," says Peter Ingleton, a director at the Montreal-based aviation council. Berkshire Hathaway's NetJets, which operates with airline-like safety standards, hasn't had a fatal accident since 2000."

That's a selling point right there....
 

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How many hull losses has NJ had in their history?
 

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The reference of no "fatal" accidents is way faster and needs correction. I believe there was one fatal accident involving a Lear, if that tells you how long ago. Only one, and it was way before 2000.
 

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The reason that private jets have a worse accident record is clearly because the pilot pay is less.

Pay private pilots more and they'll have more to live for!

(Puleeeeze.....this is tongue in check. Don't get your boxers in a wad.)
 

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Saw these on the NJ wiki. Actually, very few incidents/accidents considering the amount of airplanes and flights.

On May 2, 2002, NetJets Flight 397, a Citation 560 landed more than halfway down the runway in Leakey, TX. The aircraft overran the departure end of the runway and collided with trees. a post impact fire consumed the aircraft after the crew and four passengers were able to evacuate. [16]
On November 25, 2003, NetJets Flight 632 landed with the nose gear retracted for undetermined reasons. [17]
On August 18, 2004, Netjets Flight 961 experienced a landing gear failure in landing at Jackson, WY. The two passengers and two crew members were not injured. [18]
On September 26, 2005, Netjets Flight 669 experienced a landing gear failure while taxiing for departure in Columbus, OH. The two crew members were not injured. [19]
On January 5, 2006, the crew of Netjets Flight 391 failed to maintain adequate airspeed during landing at the Woodruff, Wi airport. The right wing contacted the runway, the aircraft departed the runway and impacted a snow bank. The two crew members and five passengers were uninjured. [20]
On August 28, 2006, Netjets Flight 879, a Hawker 800XP, collided mid air with a glider over Smith, NV while on approach to Reno, NV. Flight 879 landed safely with only minor injuries on board, the pilot of the glider parachuted to safety. [21]
On May 27, 2011, NetJets Flight 749, a Gulfstream G-200, landed with the landing gear retracted in Newburgh, NY. [22]
On July 23, 2014, NetJets Flight 731, a Gulfstream G-200, experienced a tire failure upon landing in Aspen, Colorado. [23]
On September 19, 2014, NetJets Flight 322,[24] an Embraer Phenom 300 arriving from Nashville International Airport, slid off the runway at Lone Star Executive Airport (IATA: CXO) in Conroe, Texas.[25] The area had recently been inundated by the remains of Hurricane Odile. Neither the pilot nor co-pilot were hurt.
 

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The reference of no "fatal" accidents is way faster and needs correction. I believe there was one fatal accident involving a Lear, if that tells you how long ago. Only one, and it was way before 2000.

Early 70's I believe. There have been 5 hull losses since 2001. Leakey TX, 2 in SFO, the mid air in NV, CXO. Still stunned at how awesomely the crew handled the mid air. And if "awesomely" wasn't a word, it is now.

SG
 
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Early 70's I believe. There have been 5 hull losses since 2001. Leakey TX, 2 in SFO, the mid air in NV, CXO. Still stunned at how awesomely the crew handled the mid air. And if "awesomely" wasn't a word, it is now.

SG

One of the "hull losses" in SFO was an airplane that was parked, locked up and un-crewed, at 5 in the morning. A service vehicle ran into the wing at high speed causing extensive damage. The driver was killed and the airframe written off.

Some Guy is correct about the mid-air near Reno. Truly an amazing feat of airmanship (and a tiny bit of good luck) that prevented a major tragedy.
 

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One of the "hull losses" in SFO was an airplane that was parked, locked up and un-crewed, at 5 in the morning. A service vehicle ran into the wing at high speed causing extensive damage. The driver was killed and the airframe written off.

Some Guy is correct about the mid-air near Reno. Truly an amazing feat of airmanship (and a tiny bit of good luck) that prevented a major tragedy.

The other in SFO was an old 1000 waiting in line for takeoff. Had been held for about 20 minutes (thankfully) due to traffic. Tower told the crew they were smoking in the back. The hell hole caught fire. Investigation couldn't determine what started it, but a hydraulic leak (likely mist at 3000 psi) fueled it. Damaged the rear pressure bulkhead and once that is gone, the aircraft is done.

Word has it the service truck driver was dead before he hit the airplane. Cardiac arrest or something. Damaged the left wing spar.

As for Reno, she earned a bunch of awards. I saw the pictures and read the final report. without the skill of both crew members, they would have never made it back.

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I think there was a Falcon 20 many years ago that hit birds leaving BKL and lost both engines. Crew landed in the water and was picked up by a boat. As the story goes, they never even got their feet wet. The aircraft was pulled from the water, fixed, and continued to fly although they probably never got the Lake Erie funk fully cleaned off the paint.

Sg
 

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So how many operations did Netjets do, and how many "avoidable" accidents were there?

Seems like a pretty good record by any standard.
 

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One of the "hull losses" in SFO was an airplane that was parked, locked up and un-crewed, at 5 in the morning. A service vehicle ran into the wing at high speed causing extensive damage. The driver was killed and the airframe written off.

Some Guy is correct about the mid-air near Reno. Truly an amazing feat of airmanship (and a tiny bit of good luck) that prevented a major tragedy.

I've flown with and talked to MM....there was a LOT of luck involved. Not to diminish the great flying....he was just being honest. In any case, whatever the amount of luck, they did a great job with everything against them.
 

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I've flown with and talked to MM....there was a LOT of luck involved. Not to diminish the great flying....he was just being honest. In any case, whatever the amount of luck, they did a great job with everything against them.

Absolutely. Call it what you want. They made it back safe and in the end, that's all that matters.

SG
 

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NetJets pilots have created the safest flying operation I have ever been with. You get a few that don't follow the procedures and mistakes are made, but largely this is a safe working environment. Happy to be a part of this pilot group.

Now if we can just improve the contract . . .
 
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