Pria

[uberbored]

Anyone know what is actually contained in a PRIA report? seems a little vague to me, is it just if you screwed up stuff?

 

[chrisdahut24]

The whole point of PRIA is to make the potential employer aware of past training issues...so yeah, it'll definately reveal any screw ups.

 

[heywatchthis]

PRIA - Anything your previous employer wishes to send. Trust me, they can send anything negative they want. Its all covered. Do yourself a favor and disclose all.

 

[trainer8]

Anyone know what is actually contained in a PRIA report? seems a little vague to me, is it just if you screwed up stuff?

PRIA will contain records of all your training--ground and flight--at previous or current employers. It will be shown in the particular coding that your current or previous employer uses to identify the type of training followed by the hours recorded and the grade which will be SAT or UNSAT.

For example, Initial Ground School, Boeing 737-400 may be shown as: INB734 - 40.7 - SAT.
Flight Training would be the same format. A recurrent 737 LOFT/PC might be shown as: LOFT/PC B734 - 4.0 - SAT.

If there is an UNSAT, there is usually a code accompanying the UNSAT that would indicate the area deficient for the UNSAT, with a key with coded explanations. The PRIA reports I've seen, don't even show the key explanations.

You can request a copy of your PRIA when you fill out the PRIA form for your new employer.

T8

 

[RichardRambone]

Do they show part61/141 training records like flunked checkrides?

 

[StaySeated]

Pria will not show failed training events from part 61/141 training programs due to the fact that pria is an "employment" background check. Only previous employed positions are covered. Every training event, pc., 121.441 ride, loft, and ground school is included in the pria request. With that being said, don't lie about failing a checkride, or anything else for that matter. A failed check ride will not make the difference between getting or not getting a job. Good luck.

 

[RichardRambone]

Thanks was just curious. I won't lie as the lie is worse than the fact but I would like to know that my PRIA is free and clear b/c I've had no training at this point.

 

[Vspeeds]

1) My understanding is, your previous "Employers" only keep your training records for a 5 yr period, after that they discard them.
Also you are not required to fill out PRIA and other forms (for a new job) if it's been more than 5 yrs you were employed there. (True or False)

2) Is there anything you as a pilot can do if your previous company is saying "negative stuff" about you or sends false info to your "perspective" employer?

 

[blzr]

Is there any way to view your PIRA records and dispute any of the info? Could be like a credit report and get some info that may or may not be yours.

 

[Vspeeds]

Is there any way to view your PIRA records and dispute any of the info? Could be like a credit report and get some info that may or may not be yours.

You can "request in writing" to your previous employers to send you your "training records" at a nominal fee, usually $25 and go from there.
Hope this helps!

 

[trainer8]

1) My understanding is, your previous "Employers" only keep your training records for a 5 yr period, after that they discard them.
Also you are not required to fill out PRIA and other forms (for a new job) if it's been more than 5 yrs you were employed there. (True or False)

2) Is there anything you as a pilot can do if your previous company is saying "negative stuff" about you or sends false info to your "perspective" employer?

The 5 year "lookback" is correct, however, that is the discretion of the employer as to "how much" data they want to keep in their files/database. One of my previous employers kept it all...and sent it all.

As for Part 61/91/141 training and check rides, that will be received by your employer from another form you will fill out requesting your FAA certificate info, which will include 8410's and temp issues, Unsat pink slips, etc. They'll get the full picture.

Regarding a previous employer saying nasty stuff about you: You can rest assured that unless you've been convicted of a felony charge, it's a good bet they won't put anything in writing that is negative toward your character. The legal ramifications are to risky. That doesn't mean that if HR calls them on the phone to ask about you that they won't say something negative...if those call are recorded, they probably won't. These days, HR is discrete and isn't looking for a slander or DOC suit.

T8

 

[Vspeeds]

Regarding a previous employer saying nasty stuff about you: You can rest assured that unless you've been convicted of a felony charge, it's a good bet they won't put anything in writing that is negative toward your character. The legal ramifications are to risky. That doesn't mean that if HR calls them on the phone to ask about you that they won't say something negative...if those call are recorded, they probably won't. These days, HR is discrete and isn't looking for a slander or DOC suit.

When I said "negative stuff" I mean't if the past employer write's stuff in you training records, regarding your "performance" which prevents you from getting employment with a prospective employer.
If it does, what can you do to challenge it? Should you hire a lawyer & sue your ex-employer?

 

[trainer8]

When I said "negative stuff" I mean't if the past employer write's stuff in you training records, regarding your "performance" which prevents you from getting employment with a prospective employer.
If it does, what can you do to challenge it? Should you hire a lawyer & sue your ex-employer?

The only thing negative I know of is the UNSAT and purpose for the UNSAT. If you UNSAT a checkride, i.e.,for a botched circling approach because you failed to monitor your speed or overshot the runway and failed to go MA...whatever it might be...it will say UNSAT with the appropriate code to indicate the reason for the UNSAT. If you retook the ride later it will also show the retake and the results. If you withdrew from training after the UNSAT, it will show the withdrawal, too. It does not show personal input from your SIM IP, APD, DE, Director of Tng, etc, CP or DO. That info is sometimes recorded in a different format that is reviewable or can be challenged by the trainee, and then is destroyed after the completion of training. I used to make the trainee sign or initial my comments after each sim session. Any personal info that I wrote down about the performance of a trainee in training was not permitted in the PRIA data.

The purpose of PRIA stemmed out of repetative accidents where, during the coarse of the post crash investigations on the crews, specifically, the PICs, there was found to be a history of repeated UNSATs during recurrent PCs or type rides. The public demanded to know why a carrier would hire someone with such a training history. Carriers were not allowed that info back then and Congress enacted PRIA, and it was signed into law by I believe, President Clinton in 1997.

T8

 

[jj_guerra]

They get EVERYTHING. i requested mine and it was literally 4 inches thick. every record, paper, and form pertaining to me as a pilot is in there, even medical request forms. the act says that only a few things need to be provided, but the faa doesn't mess around. check out the advisory circular. http://ntl.bts.gov/lib/1000/1000/1055/AC120-68C.pdf

 

[jws717]

I wonder what happens when the previous employer goes under? Is all the info lost?

 

[jj_guerra]

when my records showed up they all came from the faa in oklahoma city. they had a copy of everything on file. just like criminal background checks there has to be a central repository, they can't just leave it to the pilots to disclose everything. unfortunately not everyone is that honest.