President of ALPA tells regionals to bend over

[Flyer1015]

Loan balance? LOL! For what? I was at so called Endeavor and I got some nice 1999 wages from 2007-2011. What kind of negotiating power and loans did ALPA give? Whatever it was = a complete waste of time and money, as the end result shows. New contract in Feb 2011, concession demands just 10 months later. Bankruptcy and concessionary wages worse than the 1999 contract. ALPA is a WASTE of time at a regional. It doesn't belong.

 

[Bringupthebird]

The regionals have the leverage of the 1500 hr rule to get higher wages, but are being threatened with the same stick the mainline pilots were handed when RJs first arrived (only the other end).

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Until you are forced into binding arbitration, you hold the power with your vote. Stop believing all the hype. Be your own man. Make them pay you, and make them honor hard fought work rules that protect your quality of life. Don't listen to mainline homo erotica tales of enchantment. You gotta wake up and go to work at your present company until they are done hiring Cindy Lou and Quantavious Aviator; and even after that affirmative action love-fest is over you may still not get hired. If you go out of business, it won't matter. The hiring wave is coming, as sure as the sun rises. It's elementary my dear Watson.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Until you are forced into binding arbitration, you hold the power with your vote. Stop believing all the hype. Be your own man. Make them pay you, and make them honor hard fought work rules that protect your quality of life. Don't listen to mainline homo erotica tales of enchantment. You gotta wake up and go to work at your present company until they are done hiring Cindy Lou and Quantavious Aviator; and even after that affirmative action love-fest is over you may still not get hired. If you go out of business, it won't matter. The hiring wave is coming, as sure as the sun rises. It's elementary my dear Watson.

The "affirmative action love-fest" has been ongoing for many decades, and will more than likely continue for many more...

 

[CFIT]

Yes, the math certainly adds up. You have to look at it over a period of several years. During a slow year between contracts, they pull their weight. But when it comes time for contract negotiations, it's not even close, which takes them negative. The smaller regionals go deeply negative, the bigger ones not so bad, but none of them can really pull their own weight. ASA/XJT may eventually be able to, but even the first "super-regional" Endeavor is struggling to pay down its loan balance.

No way! And if it's the case then alpa inefficient beyond belief. Obviously they aren't paying their staff workers enough because, oh ya, they went on strike. Word is that they writers for their quality magazine making well over 100K for what ends up being part time work.

But if in fact negotiations are where the big money is going then what's up with the Pinnacle/endeavor and PSA contract?

Your boy Moak's name is right on the signature line and he could have stopped it as well.

I think it's safe to say, alpa's in it for the money, and their true concern is with the legacies.

PCL, your arguments are weak and baseless, but it think you already know that because you know your statements are false.

Like I said, a lie repeated over and over eventually begin to sound true.

 

[livin'thesim]

Nah, attempts at insults don't hurt when they're coming from immature little twerps.

Is it true that you still have a punching bag at home with a Gojet uniform tacked to it so you can pretend you are beating up a sc-b?

I always have to laugh at the one kid who will do anything to appear to have gravitas and respect, while everyone is laughing at him behind his back.

Typically, people who suffer this sort of social rejection try to find solace and acceptance by wrapping themselves in the flag of one type of organization or another. Mall cops are a great example of this.

When you add social awkwardness to the cocktail, it is inevitable that they will seek a venue for the remediation of their manifold insecurities.

Even if they have to buy their way in, because they couldn't make it on their own.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Is it true that you still have a punching bag at home with a Gojet uniform tacked to it so you can pretend you are beating up a sc-b?

I always have to laugh at the one kid who will do anything to appear to have gravitas and respect, while everyone is laughing at him behind his back.

Typically, people who suffer this sort of social rejection try to find solace and acceptance by wrapping themselves in the flag of one type of organization or another. Mall cops are a great example of this.

When you add social awkwardness to the cocktail, it is inevitable that they will seek a venue for the remediation of their manifold insecurities.

Even if they have to buy their way in, because they couldn't make it on their own.

Watch out you are talking about a self professed "union thug" Jimmy Hoffa is spinning in his concrete foundation every time PCL types on his Dell.

 

[livin'thesim]

Union pug would be more like it.

PCL is the J Edgar Hoover of pilot unionization.

Let's see if he can figure that one out.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Union pug would be more like it.

PCL is the J Edgar Hoover of pilot unionization.

Let's see if he can figure that one out.

No left turns or wears dresses on overnights or dog named Clyde?

 

[jmreii]

The regionals have the leverage of the 1500 hr rule to get higher wages, but are being threatened with the same stick the mainline pilots were handed when RJs first arrived (only the other end).

Keep holding your breath for that miracle!

 

[livin'thesim]

The 1500 hour rule can't hurt the bargaining position of regional pilots, but I'm not sure it will help it very much.

Anything that limits who a regional may hire is a plus for labor. But maybe not a big one.

 

[livin'thesim]

No left turns or wears dresses on overnights or dog named Clyde?

Wears a mumu, probably.

 

[Andrew_VT]

The 1500 hour rule can't hurt the bargaining position of regional pilots, but I'm not sure it will help it very much.

Anything that limits who a regional may hire is a plus for labor. But maybe not a big one.

I bet it backfires and ends up being a net negative. I've heard management use the phrase 'Multi Crew Licence' more times than I care to remember lately.

Also, "The old system of pilot training is dead, so we are going to need to find a new one. We're currently looking into a few new ideas."

 

[EL10]

So lets think this over. We split ALPA three ways and you have it your way. If based on this your whole purpose of this would be for better contracts. How do you see this happening?

How much more are you willing to pay in dues for representation?
How do you plan to get better legal representation? (See above)
How do you plan on getting low rate supplemental insurance programs with low premiums?
How do you plan on affecting change with legislation?
How do you plan on combating the RAA?
How do you plan on having a international voice?
How much you willing to pay to have someone get your medical back timely?

Someone lay out a realistic vision of what you see happening and how would it work if you ditched ALPA?

Instead of blaming ALPA for the business decisions of your company how about get creative in what you need in your CBAs based on the sector of the industry your in. Some ideas:
A BOD seat with voting rights on ASAs
BOD seat on compensation committee
A requirement of being on the RPF negotiating committee

 

[CFIT]

^^^^^

You are either Rez with a new screen name or PCL?

 

[EL10]

^^^^^

You are either Rez with a new screen name or PCL?

Neither. Just looking for some real discussion on the alternatives.

 

[v1valarob]

How are those "Lee Moak Doesn't Speak For Me!" stickers coming? Have heard around the crew room multiple times they were being made.

 

[EL10]

How are those "Lee Moak Doesn't Speak For Me!" stickers coming? Have heard around the crew room multiple times they were being made.

Since you are part of a union, who does speak for you?

 

[Little Mojito]

But I don't suppose they'll ask for an appropriately smaller amount of dues....

Pretty sure your dues are a percentage of your pay, right? If I have to explain it to you, you should sign up for a math course at your local community college. This is why no one takes pilots seriously. Simple concepts.....