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Now he can join the tailhook association! Go War Hoov!


http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030501-72368254.htm

Bush to proclaim end of combat phase in Iraq
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


President Bush plans to make history today by landing in a small plane on a moving aircraft carrier hundreds of miles from shore to declare an end to the combat phase of the war in Iraq.

The White House downplayed any danger to the president, whose four-person Navy S-3B Viking anti-submarine aircraft will hook onto a steel cable after landing to prevent it from plunging off the flight deck and into the Pacific Ocean. Mr. Bush will be in the co-pilot's seat.
"He is a former pilot," White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said of his boss, who once flew jet fighters for the Texas Air National Guard.
"For the sake of the landing, I'm sure he will be doing no piloting," the spokesman deadpanned. "Hope he's not watching today's briefing."
But later in the day, Mr. Bush playfully left open the possibility that he would take the controls of the plane.
"Never can tell what's going to kick in — the urge," he told reporters in the Oval Office. "Let me just say: Stay clear of the landing pattern."
Six hours after landing on the USS Abraham Lincoln, which is returning to California after serving in the war, Mr. Bush will give a televised address to the nation on the end of hostilities and the beginning of reconstruction in Iraq. For the first time since Operation Iraqi Freedom began, the White House has asked broadcast TV networks for time to air the 15-minute speech, which begins 9 p.m. EDT.
The president's trip to the carrier comes amid signs that the administration also is winning the larger war against terrorism. The State Department yesterday released its annual report on terrorism, which showed a decline in international terrorist attacks to the lowest level since 1969.
However, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell cautioned that terrorism still "casts its grim shadow across the globe."
"Even as I speak, terrorists are planning appalling crimes and trying to get their hands on weapons of mass destruction," Mr. Powell said. "We cannot and will not relax our resolve, our efforts and our vigil."
Still, the president was described by the White House as "eagerly anticipating" the quasi-victory speech tonight.
"He's very excited about the prospect of being directly with many of the sailors and the Marines who helped make the success of the mission possible," Mr. Fleischer said. "He's also looking forward to addressing the nation from the deck of a moving aircraft carrier.
"That's a wonderful metaphor for the return of our troops from combat back to their families," he added. "It's a very exciting voyage, a very exciting trip, but nowhere near as exciting as the voyage that the sailors and the Marines are taking because they're coming home to see their families."
Although Mr. Bush will pronounce the combat phase of the war over, he will stop short of formally declaring victory. Under the Geneva Convention, such a declaration would obligate the United States to call off its hunt for Saddam Hussein and other Iraqi leaders.
It also would make the United States an "occupying power" — a status the Bush administration is not eager to embrace because it would impose international-law obligations on the American military.
The Geneva Convention also calls for any nation that formally declares victory to release all prisoners of war, a process that U.S. forces have begun.
International legalities aside, Mr. Bush does not want to declare victory at a time when sporadic gunbattles continue to put U.S. troops in harm's way. The president plans to emphasize such dangers in the speech.
"There are pockets of resistance; there continue to be Iraqis who shoot at America's armed forces," Mr. Fleischer said. "The president knows that while major combat operations have ended and while the next phase has begun with the reconstruction of Iraq, there continue to be threats to the security and the safety of the American people, and he will describe that."
Still, Mr. Bush promised weeks ago that he would declare the combat phase of the war over as soon as he received the all-clear signal from Army Gen. Tommy Franks, the overall commander of the war. Gen. Franks relayed that message to the president Tuesday.
Mr. Bush will sleep overnight on the Lincoln as it steams toward San Diego. On Saturday, he will depart on the Marine One presidential helicopter because the ship will then be close enough to shore for a brief chopper ride.
That will be less hazardous than the longer flight and landing of the Navy jet, an S-3B Viking, that will carry Mr. Bush to the aircraft carrier. The plane, which is normally used to hunt submarines and attack other enemy assets, will also carry a Secret Service agent, a pilot and a crew member.
After stopping in San Diego, the Lincoln will continue to its home base of Everett, Wash., ending nine months at sea.
"The president is giving the speech now because of the successful operations that have been carried out, the significant accomplishments in achieving the mission, and because he wants to explain to the American people, having risked lives and treasure in pursuit of our goals in Iraq, what the present results are," Mr. Fleischer said.
He added: "That's something that the president began with a speech to the country about. And he wants to again now bring it to a conclusion with a speech to the country."
 
This was all over the news yesterday.

They said he was arriving on an S-3, but then someone came back and corrected them saying he was coming in on a C-2 COD.

And then I read this morning he would be in the right seat.

Would they actually let him fly right seat?

Whether it is an S-3 or a C-2, I'm sure there is some emergency functions that the right seater has to perform if something happens.
 
This from the Washington times this AM.


President Bush plans to make history today by landing in a small plane on a moving aircraft carrier hundreds of miles from shore to declare an end to the combat phase of the war in Iraq.
The White House downplayed any danger to the president, whose four-person Navy S-3B Viking anti-submarine aircraft will hook onto a steel cable after landing to prevent it from plunging off the flight deck and into the Pacific Ocean. Mr. Bush will be in the co-pilot's seat.
"He is a former pilot," White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said of his boss, who once flew jet fighters for the Texas Air National Guard.
"For the sake of the landing, I'm sure he will be doing no piloting," the spokesman deadpanned. "Hope he's not watching today's briefing."
But later in the day, Mr. Bush playfully left open the possibility that he would take the controls of the plane.
"Never can tell what's going to kick in — the urge," he told reporters in the Oval Office. "Let me just say: Stay clear of the landing pattern."
 
he is flying out with the CO of VS-35, John Lussier, a really good guy(former IP of mine), and a good stick as well. Right seaters have a bunch of stuff to do on a tactical fight, but on a flight to the boat, it isn't that difficult to do it all from the left seat. I've taken ROTC midshipmen on flights in the right seat, no big deal at all, plus I'm sure there will be qualified guys in the back 2 seats, just in case something happens. Even with a engine failure, the hoov flies like a champ. I'd only worry if they had a CLA failure, Chunk can verify that!
 
The President is getting a chance to live the dream of EVERY hot-sh*t military pilot: landing on a boat.

Go Navy!
 
I was jealous watching him do it. Any chance a nobody would ever get a shot at doing that (without signing up)?! What a rush!
 
Well if you have enough money the Russains will let you do almost anything. Don't know if they still have their carrier.

The French on the other hand, just say your a despot dicator and then you can buy anything from them.

The British Army will take you for a parachute jump (static or tandam) if you are thinking about joining. Though not sure if they do it anymore.
 
breaking news

news-stooge on Fox News who's out on the boat just referred to the S-3 as a "jetliner". LOL!
 
Eagle RJ

Careful about criticizing terms. You called an Aircraft Carrier a "boat" In the navy, the only time "boat" is a proper term, is when refering to a submarine or a lifeboat. An aircraft carrier is properly called a "ship".
 
Perhaps as slang....I agree. Still not proper.....it is a ship
You are suggesting that an aviator can call a destroyer or light cruiser a "boat" They also "float". They might, but it's improper in the technical sense of the word.
 
REWIND!

CLA failure...man, that's something I haven't thought about in a while! It was the left CLA that was critical, right? I still have my unclas NATOPS question bank around here somewhere...hafta test myself. It's only been since 99, but it fades away quickly!

...and yes, it's "the boat" or Das Boot if you're looking for variety, but never, ever "the ship." Makes you sound like a shoe!

Chunk
 
And by the same justification, the "News Stooge" can call an S-3B
a "jetliner"....right? Just cause you don't know any better, makes it OK. (Das Boot.....movie about a German submarine)
 
Caught the "3 wire" There are 4
 
jarhead said:
Perhaps as slang....I agree. Still not proper.....it is a ship
You are suggesting that an aviator can call a destroyer or light cruiser a "boat" They also "float". They might, but it's improper in the technical sense of the word.

In my 22 years in the Navy I never once heard anyone in aviation refer to a carrier as a ship. To one and all it was a "boat".
 
Re: Eagle RJ

jarhead said:
Careful about criticizing terms. You called an Aircraft Carrier a "boat" In the navy, the only time "boat" is a proper term, is when refering to a submarine or a lifeboat. An aircraft carrier is properly called a "ship".

Simple historical precedence, my friend.

Members of the air wing on a carrier have always referred to their ship as "the boat", just because it needles the sailors.
 
"Careful about criticizing terms. You called an Aircraft Carrier a "boat" In the navy, the only time "boat" is a proper term, is when refering to a submarine or a lifeboat. An aircraft carrier is properly called a "ship"."

And all this time I thought it was called a bo-at.
 
hmmm, 11 years in, and I was calling the carrier a "boat" when I should have been calling it a "ship", I guess the dog machine now puts out soft ice cream and a slider is now a hamburger, but I digress...Chunk, left/right CLA, when something fails, and there is a whole page in the plc of what fails, that's when I want to take the Lockheed engineer out to the shed and whip his a$$ for making such a stupid box!
 
Yeah....I remember that, but I remember that it was worse to lose one of them than the other. How about the PDP's? The jet would still fly, but what a bitch trying to do a mission if you crapped one of those. Ever reseat or swap one inflight?

Chunk<--Mauler
 
Go Bush

Who cares what you call it , nice landing,,,

Has any one made him an offier for the helmet he was using??? or had him sign theirs?:cool:
 
There are only two kinds of BOW-ETS!

Submarines and TARGETS.

and as far as this statement goes... and it IS funny, till a seaman is using a knife to cut you out of your harness so they can bag you and tag you, for mum and dad...

"Yup, out of every airman comes some seaman...."

I'm sure if you gave the Quarterdeck of Mobile Diving and Salvage Unit One or Two a call, they may have an even funnier slogan. Goes sumptin like dis homey...

"There are more Navy divers looking for pilots, than pilots looking for divers!".

Have a nice life and enjoy your Seaman!
 
A Boat vs A Ship

OK people, I surrender. You can call it a Huffnagle machine for all I care......still does not make it correct. I take my history lesson from over 40 years ago, when my Marine D.I. would push a rifle stock forearm into the side of my head, and and any other recruit who used the term "boat" for a naval vessel. I know that some jarheads today, will use the term"gun" when reffering to a rifle. Same "slap upside the gourd" if any recruit used that term in my day, with a screaming admonishment that if you were not referring to something with a 12" bore mounted to a turret on a ship, we'd best be calling our weapon a rifle.

Ah, but I digress. Time has passed me by, and the correct has now become incorrect, and incorrect has become correct, simply from common usage and slang. I still remember the days when
Westinghouse Electric Boat company made submarines, and Newport News Ship Building Company made surface craft. I've got an idea now, how Lewis Carrol got his inspriration for Alice in Wonderland. You know, "down is up, and up is down"

Peace to you all. Still, I think we can all agree, it looked pretty nice with the President coming in on the S-3
 
Great video and it was the Navy's day. How anyone could watch that arrival and not get a lump in their throat and feel a desire to be part of something much bigger than themself, I'll never understand. God Bless America!
 
Jarhead,

I understand your desires to keep things straight. I, too, cringe when people say gun rather than rifle, pistol, firearm, etc. However, using the term "boat" to refer to the carrier has a long and rich tradition in Naval Aviation. It's not a gen-x blame MTV for corroding minds issue;l "the boat" has always been "the boat." In fact, if we all started to call it a ship, then a tradition would truly have decayed and been lost. Maybe it's just that you were unaware of the tradition. That's possible, right?

Respectfully,

Chunk

PS-- D@mn Gyrenes....;)

Editor's note: Check out the Tailhook Association's website. It has a slang dictionary. Look under "B."

http://tailhook.org/AVSLANG.htm
 
You got that right jarhead!

Our president is the jolly green giant. We have a leader... a MAN among MEN! It takes alot of work to look good in one of them suits and DAMM...Dubyah was the man yesterday.

There is NOT one country in this entire solar system that can boast much of an aircraft carrier, much less a fleet of them...or a video of their president walking around on it and looking like he belonged there. Usama? No...he can just film himself sporting an AK-74 Krinkov, with a bunch of dudes that need a serious shave and shower. Hell, even I can do that! Saddam? No...I don't think they have video cameras in hell. Fidel? get serious. He needs a serious BDU makeover. PUTIN? Ha. PUTIN...I won't go there. What? some Chinese leader or... heh...the leader of them scary ass N. Koreans. No.

Ha...you are right Jarhead, it was way super cool to see our president walking tall on the carrier. And WE put him there. From the welders that laid the keel of that ship...to the boys and girls that crew it, to the people that go to work each and every day, to pay the taxes to foot the cost.

I do feel proud.
 
There is just not a greater symbol of American military power and the ability to project that power than an aircraft carrier.
 
Chunk

I will defer to your knowledge of your "traditions". I was, however, aware that navy flyers always did, in fact, call their short runways, a boat. I knew that even being a lowly "grunt". Fine traditions we all have.

I am also aware, that many of the brothers in "the hood", call their women and girlfriends a "Ho". All the rap music seems to have engrained that as a "tradition" also. I just do not accept that term either, as a proper term for a woman. Maybe it's just me? I am not about to even try to change the culture of navy flyers, and their jargon. Heck, I still have some of my own slang from my days in the USMC, that one who never served there would even have a clue as to what I was talking about. But, whenever I am with another ex-marine (or current jarhead, for that matter) and I use some of those terms, he would know exactly what I was talking about with some of those strange terms and words.

We all have our traditions and slang. I still can differentiate between what is slang, and the meaning of slang, from the kings English and purist dictionery definitions. I agree though, that we ALL have our own "language" in our inner circles.
 

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