Pray this doesn't happen

[CoATP]

AUSTRALIA MAY SLASH FLIGHT TIME FOR CO-PILOTS
Australia's Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) said on Tuesday that it plans to introduce a new multi-crew pilot license. The license would be issued to pilots who train specifically to become a first officer in an air-transport operation, and would require just 240 hours of total time, with 70 hours of that in an actual aircraft, and only 10 hours solo. Current rules require at least 1,500 hours total time. The change would be allowed under new international rules due to take effect in November. CASA says the aim of the rule change is to improve air safety, but Australia's aviation community already is speaking out against it.

Our aviaition community should be against it as well. This is scary (but we almost have it in practice!)

 

[ilkwamh2]

It already has happend, how is this different than Mesa's Developmental Program? I like their current rules, 1,500 total hours.

 

[ReverseSensing]

http://javascript<b></b>:ol('http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/730-full.html#193499');CASA says the aim of the rule change is to improve air safety, but Australia's aviation community already is speaking out against it.

Bwahahaha! CASA must be run by former airline executives. Who else could possibly think such an idea would IMPROVE air safety.

I'll tell you what (in addition to safety) it won't improve: pilot pay.

 

[goahead]

It already has happend, how is this different than Mesa's Developmental Program? I like their current rules, 1,500 total hours.

And what does SKY require to upgrade on the 120?
It's happened

 

[flyer172r]

I'm not nearly as anti low-timer as a lot of people, but I cringe at the very idea of someone flying an airliner who has as much time in actual airplanes as a typical private pilot applicant. That is downright scary.

 

[atrdriver]

And what does SKY require to upgrade on the 120?
It's happened

Well, since you can't get an ATP with less than 1500 TT, and you have to have an ATP to upgrade, I would say that they require at least 1500 TT.

 

[aussiefly]

Goddamn that sucks!

I know why they are doing it though. There is a terrible shortage of `qualified' pilots over there. First the flight schools had trouble finding guys then the small cargo and freight operators. Now even the small multi turbine guys are having dramas so it must be flowing on to the airlines.

The cost of flight training back home is really bad too. In the region of 70-80k for PPL - CPL - Command instrument rating.

The previous poster is right though, its going to suck for pilot pay. Qantas is still one of the airlines that pays pretty well and 1st year FO is still on something like 50k there.

Hopefully CASA doesnt go and kill the golden goose.

 

[wheelsup]

There is a terrible shortage of `qualified' pilots over there.

The thing that sucks is you have to have an aussie license to apply to qantas. I don't want to drop how many thousands with the chance of an interview.

(born in penrith, now flying in the US for a 121 carrier)

 

[lindsaya99]

The thing that sucks is you have to have an aussie license to apply to qantas. I don't want to drop how many thousands with the chance of an interview.

It would be worth it just to be surrounded by Aussie chicks.

 

[aussiefly]

yeah that does blow because if and when they do experience shortages they are basically cutting themselves off from a whole heap of qualified applicants. I bet there are plenty of guys here that would take a job with qantas and would live in Oz if they had the chance.

I understand they want to give aussies a fair shake first but we get he chance to come here and work for a US carrier with our ICAO ratings so why shouldn't they as well??.

Anyway, thats my rant.

 

[aussiefly]

Qantas WB pay from airlinepilot central
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/international/qantas.html

The scale is a little old and its not showing retirement benefits etc but thats just an idea.

 

[BOOMER2]

Alteon is running a test program as we speak. http://www.alteontraining.com/firstofficer/default.aspx

 

[wheelsup]

yeah that does blow because if and when they do experience shortages they are basically cutting themselves off from a whole heap of qualified applicants. I bet there are plenty of guys here that would take a job with qantas and would live in Oz if they had the chance.

I understand they want to give aussies a fair shake first but we get he chance to come here and work for a US carrier with our ICAO ratings so why shouldn't they as well??.

Anyway, thats my rant.

If I could apply/interview with qantas with an FAA ATP I'd do it in a heartbeat. The women is canadian and I was looking at AC's req's but they too require a transport canada ATP. That could be done but I don't know if I could actually move to Canada. I enjoy making fun of her side of the family too much.

 

[ReverseSensing]

The women is canadian...

Well there's your problem, eh.... You got more than one, and they're Canadian.

 

[CoATP]

Question about flying down under ... do you fly the ILS inverted so the needles are correct or do you just reverse sense the glideslope?

 

[fatdumbandhappy]

And what does SKY require to upgrade on the 120?
It's happened

2500 tt
1000 crew

 

[jtf]

That is nothing new for foreign carriers. How do you think most foreign airlines crew their airplanes? Training is expensive in the US, but obscenely expensive outside and there aren't many jobs to build the experience for foreign pilots outside the US. It is common to get hired off the street, get the ratings up to commerial multi, and then become an FO in a great big jet. At least currently I think they at least have most of the 250 hours actually in airplanes. The simulator is no replacement for experience. 1500 hours isn't really much in the way of experience for that matter. I flew as an RJ captain with enough 500 hour guys/ gals who could fly the hell out of the sim, yet had no idea why it is a bad idea to fly through a cumulous cloud going over 300 knots. There were many, many other things that I'm sure if they really thought about it they knew, but that lack of experience sure didn't keep them from attempting many stupid things. I can't believe I was the only captain to see this kind of thing on a regular basis. I'm surprised there haven't been more accidents at the regionals or the foreign carriers. I guess the majority of accidents out there are with the foreign carriers. At least the majority of low time regional pilots here are getting some experience flying real airplanes around for a little while before strapping on a bunch passengers.

 

[XJohXJ]

With the current economics of Regional FO's (know even within ALPA as "ALPA eating their young", their is no alternative to hiring low time FO's. As it is, if I can not work at Mesaba, I certainly can not go to some other crappy Regional for poverty level first year FO pay. Remember guys, and remember ALPA: Yes, our current management teams mostly all suck extremely, but it is utimately ALPA pilots voting in contracts that relegate FO's into poverty. I believe the expression is : "I've got mine."