Prater Must Resign!!

[Flopgut]

So what is your plan to become politically effective?

At this time, I'm watching the NC and offering input that I think is valid. Gauging sentiments, I think this might turn out balanced. That is the most important thing at this moment.

More later.

 

[Flopgut]

While I too believe Prater has to go, the vindictiveness directed his way is misspent. We knew what his personal opinion was before he was elected. If you do a little asking around, you'll realize that the MEC from DAL and UAL put John in office because he promised to change the rule.

Here's the clincher: Unless you work at Northwest Airlines or Express Jet, YOUR MEC wrote ALPA a blank check to change the unions stance.

Maybe, in conjunction with posting here, you should be getting involved with your LEC. ALPA throws it's young under the bus, economic realities of senior members paying more dues and wielding more influence won't change because you're mad. What will make us more powerful is us getting involved in the political process, throwing out our current leadership from the bottom up as we go.

Want a real union? get involved!

LJDRVR

Thanks for a great point here, you're right.

Rez: I'm going to PM what I would like to post here. Look it over first pls.

 

[Vne]

Want a real union? get involved!

Get real. With 11 days off a month ALPA expecting volunteers is like looking for virgins to crew a pirate ship....
We pay enough dues to hire "goons" for the heavy lifting.....
When will National understand pilots can not do it all

National is nothing more then a PAC of political hacks looking to feather their nest....Local volunteers ,bless their hearts are overworked and out lawyered at every turn......ALPA must change its basic structure to survive...I do not think that have the ability to even admit its broken 1930's model is toast


Yes I did get involved.eventually reality sets in.
former LEC-MEC_Committee-volunteer

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Praters additional earnings from this will far exceed an extra $1,000,000 when you consider his outrageous ALPA pay.

What would it take for the ALPA prez pay not to be an issue?

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Exact pay as flying the line last year. Positive spaced to functions. No extraordinary benefits.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Exact pay as flying the line last year. Positive spaced to functions. No extraordinary benefits.

Ok.... what is it going to take to make it happen?

 

[atrdriver]

Are you serious? popular vote is the best way? movement by the masses? This is what our foundaing fathers intentionally created when they formed our democratic republic which ALPA is modeled. If it is good for our country then why not for our union...

Hate to break this to you Rez, but this country is not a democratic republic. It is a representative republic. There is a difference.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

ok...representative republic... got it... it is what it is... we elect reps to manage the issues.

Do you really think the american public or the alpa membership can be effective in dealing with the day to day issues?

 

[atrdriver]

ok...representative republic... got it... it is what it is... we elect reps to manage the issues.

Do you really think the american public or the alpa membership can be effective in dealing with the day to day issues?

No, not with the day to day issues. But, the ALPA membership, JUST LIKE the American public, is getting fed up with having their elected leaders not do what they were elected to do. I am a big ALPA supporter, but even I can see that there are a lot of upset people out there, and this age 65 thing has made me question my support.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Ok.... what is it going to take to make it happen?

A noose.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

No, not with the day to day issues. But, the ALPA membership, JUST LIKE the American public, is getting fed up with having their elected leaders not do what they were elected to do. I am a big ALPA supporter, but even I can see that there are a lot of upset people out there, and this age 65 thing has made me question my support.

We just had an LEC election at my council. 31% particaption...

So if one didn't vote then how can they get fed up? I don't get it...

So, you are saying that the membership/citizenship can negate their responsibilites but demand that the leadership adhere to thiers?

Also, if the mem/citizens don't vote can they really expect thier wants/needs to be addressed?

 

[flygirlqt]

We just had an LEC election at my council. 31% particaption...

So not only are you a failure at convincing people on FI of your ALPA agenda, but at your own airline? Even your own council?

It sounds to me like there is a deeper problem with the memberships trust and faith in the organization than you care to admit.

 

[flygirlqt]

A noose.

Just one? Others could use a good Lynch ing. Know what I mean?

Happy holidays!

 

[pylut]

rez,
your "union" has become a joke.
unfortunately the punchline is more sad/pathetic than funny.

with your tiresome broken record player you are rapidly on your way to becoming another punchline.
I'll bet the voting percentage went down at your local union as you continue to turn people off.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

A noose.

A response that quite easily justifies excluding you from the process....

So not only are you a failure at convincing people on FI of your ALPA agenda, but at your own airline? Even your own council?

Agenda? I have yet to discuss an agenda. Only particaption. Something you feel that your are not required to do, yet you feel it is appropriate to complain.

It sounds to me like there is a deeper problem with the memberships trust and faith in the organization than you care to admit.

Of course... I agree. The problem is people like you don't have the ability to do anything about it but complain. That is the extent of your skillset.

I wish it were different. I wish you were smarter so that you can contribute to positive change...

rez,
your "union" has become a joke.
unfortunately the punchline is more sad/pathetic than funny.

Agreed. So is what will become of our careers. I am going down fighting.... you guys are going down as whiners...

with your tiresome broken record player you are rapidly on your way to becoming another punchline.
I'll bet the voting percentage went down at your local union as you continue to turn people off.

Actually the voting percentage at my council is quite consistent with history... even in the good ol days of ALPA that many of you haters love to recall.

In fact I predicted this voter turn out becuase that is they way you apathetic people are: predicatable, whiney and unproductive.


I really wish you'd all change... but it isn't my responsibility to baby sit you and your career.