Potential Violation and ASAP/NASA Forms

[Way2Broke]

For more information on NASA reports you can refer to this AC. Sorry for highjacking the thread.

http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/immunity_nf.htm

Edit: You beat me too it. I'm not quite sure the details of what she did or did not tell the investigator. I'm not at liberty to put words in her mouth. THe only point that I was trying to make is that it is not always true that filing a NASA report will protect your license. She went on to have a sucessful aviation career, but it still comes up on interviews. I think the saving grace was that she was very low time and she is not afraid to talk about it.

 

[Guitar rocker]

I know someone who went through the exact same thing about 4 months ago. It was a 91 flight and they blew right through the course. FO was flying it at the time. They were told to call the TRACON which they did. The controller said that there would be no action taken but later the PIC received a letter in the mail that he was under investigation. FO filled out a NASA form but PIC didnt care at all about doing the same m(he was an owner/operator). End result was that nothing happened to the FO and they did some re-training for the captain. He did not get a violation but got a little black mark. The fed involved was more than lenient.

 

[rickair7777]

For more information on NASA reports you can refer to this AC. Sorry for highjacking the thread.

http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/immunity_nf.htm

Edit: You beat me too it. I'm not quite sure the details of what she did or did not tell the investigator. I'm not at liberty to put words in her mouth. THe only point that I was trying to make is that it is not always true that filing a NASA report will protect your license. She went on to have a sucessful aviation career, but it still comes up on interviews. I think the saving grace was that she was very low time and she is not afraid to talk about it.

I think what catches people is the "unintentional" aspect of the violation. If you depart the airport without having done something you should have (such as verify Wx or airworthiness) they seem to consider that intentional negligence.

 

[Ralgha]

Seems that some of you are confusing NASA and ASAP. They're two totally different programs, and ASAP is much better than NASA in protecting the pilot, but still only if you fill it out. Apparently the FO filled out an ASAP report, so as someone already said, not all that much will happen to him in all likelyhood. Apparently the captain didn't fill one out, so all the fit that hit the shan is going to land on him.

 

[Axel]

Moral of the story:

When in doubt, fill one out.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

You know what makes this scenerio bad is the fact that apperantly the controller got a loss of seperation from this. If he hadn't he would have probably let it go, hence the paper work for a PD sucks, but its getting alot easier now that I can do it online in about 10 mins for preliminary work. While I feel for the FO, at the same time, 5.3 miles off course is significant....What the hell was the captain doing while he didn't notice as what the hell was the FO doing to get this far off course?

 

[ikillbigfoot]

Capt was busy with In Range Check and talking on the radio.