Post-mediation NetJets thoughts

[slowto250]

Joli,

From what base of experience do you speak ?

Have you worked for both union and non-union aviation concerns ?

Judging from your profile, I rather doubt it.

What vested interest do you have in the outcome of this skirmish ?

Let me see if I understand your position. You believe the pilots would be better off without any representation ? Maybe it just the Teamsters that you find so reprehensible.

For the record, and as a whole, the Teamsters represent their labor interests quite well, even in aviation. If you need examples, I'd be happy to oblige.

IMHO, the situation at Netjets will be resolved because of the solidarity of their workforce. This is really the underlying concept behind all unions. One voice.

One of our founding fathers said it best: "We must hang together, or surely we shall all hang separately".

Wonder where we might find you swinging ?

 

[Jolimon]

Starman: Call me dumb but I am happy where I work. You seem to be very irritated with your current situation so I don't see it as working for you. Just because you disagree I am a moron. Thats the problem with the union mentality in a nutshell.

 

[slowto250]

Starman: Call me dumb but I am happy where I work. You seem to be very irritated with your current situation so I don't see it as working for you. Just because you disagree I am a moron. Thats the problem with the union mentality in a nutshell.

Spurned applicant, or scablist refugee ?

Which are you ?

 

[Jolimon]

Just happy I am not paying 68 bucks a month plus an initiation fee to be as unhappy as you are. Bet you wish you could have it to do all over again but you are stuck and you can't admit it.

 

[slowto250]

Just happy I am not paying 68 bucks a month plus an initiation fee to be as unhappy as you are. Bet you wish you could have it to do all over again but you are stuck and you can't admit it.

Tell you what I am.....I am taking Starman's advice.

 

[SeaSpray]

It will be interesting to see how this all works out. NetJets has an extremely expensive operating model. Each NJA aircraft requires 5 pilots to operate where corporate America generally mans at 3 per aircraft. Half of NJA's flights are non revenue producing "dead-head" legs. Aircraft accrue time at a much greater rate than their corporate counterparts and decrease in value more quickly. The question has yet to be answered as to how "owners" feel about their aircraft being "rode hard" in what is fundamentaly a Part 135 operation under the Marquis Card program - a program that is approaching 40% of all NetJet flying.


It seems that a more reasonable comparison for NetJet pay would be to the compensation of other fractionals whose costs and concerns are similar. They probably have arrived at the compensation that the market will bear through really rather simple economic principals. That's certainly what has happened in the big airplanes both at the union BBJ operation and the non-union NJI Gulfstream operation.

Sea Spray

 

[El Chupacabra]

Those questions are for management. The only question I care about is whether this will pay pilots correctly.... If Not STFD

 

[Ultra Grump]

Jolimon - I work at NetJets. I enjoy it. The new MEC is doing a great job, and I am not one particularly enamored of unions. Mind your own business.

Soooey! Here, pig! (Starman - that cracked me up!)

 

[holden1]

\The question has yet to be answered as to how "owners" feel about their aircraft being "rode hard" in what is fundamentaly a Part 135 operation under the Marquis Card program - a program that is approaching 40% of all NetJet flying.

Good post, Sea Spray.

40%? Now how do you get to that figure?

According to what EJM says, NetJets is doing 400,000 hours a year or more.

Holden1

 

[SeaSpray]

Good post, Sea Spray.

40%? Now how do you get to that figure?

According to what EJM says, NetJets is doing 400,000 hours a year or more.

Holden1

It was in a NetJets press release fundamentally explaining why they bought controlling interest in Marquis.

SS