Possible XJT JCBA by Sun, July 21st 2013?!?

[centralpilot]

Nope. Couldn't hold a reserve period with golden days that fell clear of my vacation week. Vacation spanned right over the top of my GDO's- 4 of them. They were lost, and it resulted in having 12 days off during my vacation month.

Then it sounds like the company failed to comply with the section I quoted. I think you should've had 15-16 total days off depending on how many days were in the month.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

Funny thing is reserve is so irritating, many are commuting to IAD or DFW to hold lines, even while living in ATL. One thing is certain- even if I do hold a line in the future here, I will still be pushing for reserve QOL improvements. Nobody should be treated with this type of disrespect, regardless of longevity.

Yessir, sat reserve with Erion Starker myself. Talk about Draconian. Things were certainly different, and i agree, improvements need to be made. I was talking to a somewhat jr FO in DFW awhile back. He went to DFW to hold a line, and did so. Said it was a completely different company once holding a line.

 

[centralpilot]

Nope. Couldn't hold a reserve period with golden days that fell clear of my vacation week. Vacation spanned right over the top of my GDO's- 4 of them. They were lost, and it resulted in having 12 days off during my vacation month.

Oh, also 1/2 of your days off in the month should have been golden days per MOU 9. If 4 GDOs on the reserve line were overlapped by vacation, then of the 8-9 off days required by section 12, 1/2 of them should've been GDOs. The company should have designated 2-3 days as inviolate (company discretion on which days) in addition to the 2 GDOs already on the line. So I believe you should've had vacation plus 8-9 days off, including 4-5 GDOs.

The company screws this up from time to time, especially considering that many reserves can simply hold non-conflicting GDOs and wind up with more days off than required. Know the contract and call them on it when they owe you days off and/or GDOs.

 

[Clutch]

Just upgraded????? I've been in the left seat for a whole lot longer than that.......the second time. You've got me completely mixed up with someone else. You are absolutely correct though, and I am fed up. As are the many other reserves that have been in the same boat as I. Find me a happy reserve CA, and I'll show you Elvis.

No, I know what I'm saying. You were hired in May of 2005. My point is that you weren't screaming for reserve changes when you were getting 6 months of vacation low and cherry picking trips. I'm not trying to make a personal attack, I just want to know that once you get back off reserve, which will be soon, you won't be whistling a different tune.

The junior folks have the numbers here. Any contract that doesn't benefit the top 30% and benefits the remaining 70 is the contract we should be pushing for. Screw the lifers.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Try pushing agenda at a legacy, or anywhere else for that matter. Reserve system should be improved, but you're not gonna get captain pay until you upgrade. That much is certain.

This whole 'leveling of the playing field' fantasy is a generational defect and needs to go away. You put the years in, you get rewarded. Simple as that.

 

[centralpilot]

This whole 'leveling of the playing field' fantasy is a generational defect and needs to go away. You put the years in, you get rewarded. Simple as that.

That does not mean that the QOL gap between the senior and the junior should widen at every opportunity. At some point you've got to spend a tiny bit of negotiating capital to make reserve life suck less. It is always going to suck, but there is no reason for it to be as bad as it currently is.

 

[Smoke Toliet]

Try pushing agenda at a legacy, or anywhere else for that matter. Reserve system should be improved, but you're not gonna get captain pay until you upgrade. That much is certain.

This whole 'leveling of the playing field' fantasy is a generational defect and needs to go away. You put the years in, you get rewarded. Simple as that.

Explain to me how 7+ year FOs, some on reserve for 3+ years, and 8+ year Captains have not put the years in. Your generational defect is that you still think our upgrade time is 3 years or less like when you got hired. Your seniority entitles you to better schedule and pay. It does not entitle you first right to bargain capital so you can get yours first. Your a perfect example of the culture of ASA and its MEC.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Explain to me how 7+ year FOs, some on reserve for 3+ years, and 8+ year Captains have not put the years in. Your generational defect is that you still think our upgrade time is 3 years or less like when you got hired. Your seniority entitles you to better schedule and pay. It does not entitle you first right to bargain capital so you can get yours first. Your a perfect example of the culture of ASA and its MEC.

I'll explain it to you:

1. I've put in over 15 years (some here over 25), I'm not that senior

2. I suffer the same garbage scheduling, trip construction, maintenance problems, RR overnights, early mornings and late nights as you do.

3. I'm held to a different standard, believe that or not. I don't expect you to until you upgrade.

4. Timing is EVERYTHING

Do you realize that at Delta, ONE YEAR of seniority can mean retiring as a reserve 757/767 captain getting the leftovers, or being a line-holding 777 captain?

I fully realize that this isn't a legacy, and reserves are abused, but I'm pretty sure there will be improvements in this area. If there aren't, vote NO.

Yah, and don't forget most of the seniority list didn't suffer years of flying boiling-hot Brasilias, Dash 7's, and Twin Otters around Mid-Georgia staying in less-than-stellar, rat-hole motels with every single night being of the reduced rest variety after eight legs. Believe it or not, it was much, much worse.

 

[Clutch]

Oh, so you were hired here 15 years ago when the upgrade time was 3 months and so you've "paid your dues". Suck a dck

 

[701EV]

Oh, so you were hired here 15 years ago when the upgrade time was 3 months and so you've "paid your dues". Suck a dck

Clutch, really. Thats how you talk to a fellow pilot?

Do you really work at Express Jet?

What are you ten years old.

I guess you don't even know what a Brasilia is.

Clutch how much time did you have when ASA hired you?

 

[nerjdriver]

Clutch, really. Thats how you talk to a fellow pilot?

Do you really work at Express Jet?

What are you ten years old.

I guess you don't even know what a Brasilia is.

Clutch how much time did you have when ASA hired you?

A Brasilia is what you flew before the jet came.

I very much appreciate Clutch's insight......in fact, ive got a whole sack of them you can nibble on!

 

[COOPERVANE]

When I told a member of our MEC what I wanted from our next contract, he asked "what is ur seniority number?" When I told him he stated "YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO HOLD A LINE....WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT RESERVE RULES?"

THAT pissed me off...this guy couldn't understand why I cared about reserve rules since I wasn't on reserve. VERY telling. Obviously they don't care.

 

[SpaceShipEarth]

With respect to the argument that vacation on reserve should have 7+(8-9) days off: that equals 15. So I have to burn 7 days worth of earned vacation time for an extra FOUR days off??? WAKE UP! 11+7=18. Period. Minimum. Any less is another reason ill vote NO!

 

[JumpersAway]

With respect to the argument that vacation on reserve should have 7+(8-9) days off: that equals 15. So I have to burn 7 days worth of earned vacation time for an extra FOUR days off??? WAKE UP! 11+7=18. Period. Minimum. Any less is another reason ill vote NO!

I agree. Vacation time off should be IN ADDITION to the standard amount of time off in a particular month. It should be the minimum days off, plus a week, at the very least.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Is the problem with your MEC leaders or your reps? If your leadership is this out of touch that they aren't catering to the needs of 70% of your pilot group, why hasn't anyone recalled them?

 

[Nevets]

Is the problem with your MEC leaders or your reps? If your leadership is this out of touch that they aren't catering to the needs of 70% of your pilot group, why hasn't anyone recalled them?

The officers do what the reps tell them. So if there is such a problem, it's the reps who are to blame.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

The officers do what the reps tell them. So if there is such a problem, it's the reps who are to blame.

Well for the sake of argument, that's not really true. The way ALPA is structured, the MEC hides behind the reps, since the general pilot group can recall a rep, but can't recall the MEC directly. And often, the MEC officers are calling the shots, the reps just attend a meeting and get told to stand behind that decision (toe the line). But they can still be recalled, you just need to recall the reps first if they won't recall the MEC. So really, the question is have you all talked to your reps about this problem or are you just venting on a message board?

 

[Nevets]

Well for the sake of argument, that's not really true. The way ALPA is structured, the MEC hides behind the reps, since the general pilot group can recall a rep, but can't recall the MEC directly. And often, the MEC officers are calling the shots, the reps just attend a meeting and get told to stand behind that decision (toe the line). But they can still be recalled, you just need to recall the reps first if they won't recall the MEC. So really, the question is have you all talked to your reps about this problem or are you just venting on a message board?

Maybe that's the way it works where you are but they have recalled two chairman and a rep in less than one year time here. The officers are now on check that if they don't do what the reps say, they will get recalled. That's the way ALPA is structured. The reps are the brain and the officers are the mouth. But my point was that even if you have rouge officers, it's still the reps fault for not recalling them. Or let me put it this way, if the chairman is not being recalled, it's because of the explicit or implicit approval of the reps.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Maybe that's the way it works where you are but they have recalled two chairman and a rep in less than one year time here. The officers are now on check that if they don't do what the reps say, they will get recalled. That's the way ALPA is structured. The reps are the brain and the officers are the mouth. But my point was that even if you have rouge officers, it's still the reps fault for not recalling them. Or let me put it this way, if the chairman is not being recalled, it's because of the explicit or implicit approval of the reps.

Well goody two shoes for you and the XJT side. I may be wrong, but I think most of the people on this thread are talking about the ASA side? Perhaps you guys should help your new brothers out since you have experience in this area. Because ASA's notoriously weak MEC sounds like its about to cave, and take you down with them if everything these guys are saying is true.

 

[Nevets]

Well goody two shoes for you and the XJT side. I may be wrong, but I think most of the people on this thread are talking about the ASA side? Perhaps you guys should help your new brothers out since you have experience in this area. Because ASA's notoriously weak MEC sounds like its about to cave, and take you down with them if everything these guys are saying is true.

No, I think both MECs are in cahoots on this one. I'm not optimistic they will take a stand like the eagle MEC and not shoot down sending out a concessionary TA for ratification vote. In fact, I would place more blame on the XJT mec side if they agree to something that is concessionary to the XJT side.

And I also believe that the ASA MEC officers are doing exactly what the reps want them to just like on the XJT side. If not, fault will lie on the reps.