POS Airbus...

[Wiggums]

One, Capt Haynes at least had a symmetrical airplane, both in drag and thrust.

Capt Haynes did have a yaw problem in the Sioux City accident. When the fan came apart it damaged the turbine section, causing a hole to be torn through the engine casing and cowling. Some of the airflow comming through the shutdown engine was being diverted out that hole, causing yaw. While not as dramatic as the DHL incident, it was the yaw that almost rolled the aircraft on it's back right after the number 2 engine came apart.

 

[dispatchguy]

I recall that shortly after the incident, French magazine PARIS MATCH had an embedded reporter with the group of murderers that actually did attempt to shoot down the DHL Airbus. They had pictures of the attack from the ground, one idiot with the SA7 on his shoulder, the missile leaving the tube with the smoke trail, and then the impact.

Like one previous posted once said, that crew should NEVER have to buy booze again anywhere in the world, helluva job.

 

[Freddie Spencer]

PARIS MATCH pics... http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/default.asp?target=DHL_SAM_attack_ground1.htm

Note the last pic, which is the second missile ***(missed)

 

[CSY Mon]

I'm sure these guys weren't qualified to be hired at AA...

They never applied and NEVER had any desire to work for AA...

Excellent job on getting the crippled plane back to the ground.
My hat off to the crew.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

Looking at the Match pictures (if they're real), the Iraqis had another clear shot at the Bus once it was hit. And seeing that they had about 5 men with SAMs, it's strange that they didn't finish it off (good thing they didn't)

For a plastic POS with a weird rudder problem, the Bus didn't do too bad

 

[fr8doggie]

I wonder how I would have fared in my 2-seater A300-600?


Also, I believe that use of composites is much lower in the original Airbus. It might even have a metal tail!

A definite display of...What's that stuff called?

 

[Goose17]

"Looking at the Match pictures (if they're real), the Iraqis had another clear shot at the Bus once it was hit. And seeing that they had about 5 men with SAMs, it's strange that they didn't finish it off (good thing they didn't)"


If I am not mistaken, I think the rest of the guys in the photo are holding RPGs (rocket propelled grenades) which make a nice explosion but are unguided. You would have to be an EXCELLENT shot to lead a plane and hit it with an RPG.


Goose17

 

[pilotyip]

College degree?

There is good chance one of those three did not have college degree. That pilot might now have known what fork to pick first at the awards ceremony. How we let guys like into ours cockpits?. We know the college degree in the document that defines the professionalism of our cockpit crews. I am obviously guessing and am being sarcastic here. The skill of those guys was unbelievable. We are blessed to have such men in our cockpits.

 

[TonyC]

There is good chance one of those three did not have college degree. That pilot might now have known what fork to pick first at the awards ceremony. How we let guys like into ours cockpits?. We know the college degree in the document that defines the professionalism of our cockpit crews. I am obviously guessing and am being sarcastic here. The skill of those guys was unbelievable. We are blessed to have such men in our cockpits.

How you can turn this thread in to an argument against a college degree is simply amazing.

What's NOT amazing is the poor grammar in the post. I had to struggle to get through the first three sentences and GUESS what you were trying to say.

Nobody ever said a college degree was some magical insurance of superior airmanship. Nor has it ever been asserted that a college degree insures one's ability to practice proper table etiquette. Certainly, it does not impart on the degree holder any sort of proper decorum, manners, or common courtesy. Sadly, it does not even guarantee an ability to communicate clearly via the written word. What it does show is some modicum of intelligence, and an ability to finish a task that has been started - - persistance in the face of adversity. (OH, and it also gives the holder a better chance of breaking the $100,000 salary mark.)

Capt Haynes did have a yaw problem in the Sioux City accident. When the fan came apart it damaged the turbine section, causing a hole to be torn through the engine casing and cowling. Some of the airflow comming through the shutdown engine was being diverted out that hole, causing yaw. While not as dramatic as the DHL incident, it was the yaw that almost rolled the aircraft on it's back right after the number 2 engine came apart.

Wiggs,

I was unaware of that. Thanks for correcting my post.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

"Looking at the Match pictures (if they're real), the Iraqis had another clear shot at the Bus once it was hit. And seeing that they had about 5 men with SAMs, it's strange that they didn't finish it off (good thing they didn't)"


If I am not mistaken, I think the rest of the guys in the photo are holding RPGs (rocket propelled grenades) which make a nice explosion but are unguided. You would have to be an EXCELLENT shot to lead a plane and hit it with an RPG.


Goose17

you're probably right, I thought they were all SAMs

(just another civilian scum w/ no formal training)

 

[capt. megadeth]

"We are blessed to have such men in our cockpits."

It's a good thing there weren't women flying the plane...the crew would be dead!

Wiggums,
I love that picture!

 

[pilotyip]

And had there been a women in the cockpit

She would have been recognized also, but the fact is there were no women there.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Fly the Airbus - you have a better chance at displaying heroic airmanship.

 

[capt. megadeth]

"She would have been recognized also, but the fact is there were no women there."
I know, I was just hoping for you all to go off on a tangent that women don't belong in the cockpit

 

[N8Dogg]

It's not a gender issue. There are good and not so good on both sides. End of discussion!

 

[ivauir]

Fly the Airbus - you have a better chance at displaying heroic airmanship.

Naw be a real hero fly a helo!

 

[TonyC]

"She would have been recognized also, but the fact is there were no women there."
I know, I was just hoping for you all to go off on a tangent that women don't belong in the cockpit

Hmmmm...

Just stirrin' up trouble for the sake of stirrin' up trouble, huh? Sounds vaguely familiar. You had me fooled there for a while, but now I see you're just like the rest of 'em!

 

[capt. megadeth]

"Just stirrin' up trouble for the sake of stirrin' up trouble, huh? Sounds vaguely familiar. You had me fooled there for a while, but now I see you're just like the rest of 'em!"




Gotta have a little fun...know what I mean?

 

[vclean]

Actually outside of aviation that's the best place for them. However, if we're talking about airplanes we need to rename the front office when a woman is flying. When both are women, 'cockpit' doesn't apply.




I know, I was just hoping for you all to go off on a tangent that women don't belong in the cockpit [/QUOTE]

 

[Clyde]

There is good chance one of those three did not have college degree. That pilot might now have known what fork to pick first at the awards ceremony. How we let guys like into ours cockpits?. We know the college degree in the document that defines the professionalism of our cockpit crews. I am obviously guessing and am being sarcastic here. The skill of those guys was unbelievable. We are blessed to have such men in our cockpits.

There is a good chance all three of them didn't have them. There is also a good chance that all three could have PhD's also. The point is, they got the airplane back to the airport safely without having a DHL-sponsored barbeque at the end of the runway. Is a degree important? Well, maybe this should be brought up on a different thread.