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TB:

Whoa, read the whole post, I was having a little fun with the miscreant.
 
350DRIVER said:
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Bush is a fuc$in idiot which is pretty clear...

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If Bush is such an idiot, why is he President of the US of A, and you are a pilot? Just what credentials do you have to pass judgement on the intellectual ability of someone else? Are you a trained IQ evaluater? Just what is your IQ? What is President Bush's IQ?

enigma
 
enigma said:
If Bush is such an idiot, why is he President of the US of A...?
What's your point? Idiots can't be President?

Ooooooooo-kay.

(Having a high I.Q. doesn't keep you from being an idiot. Just look at me... :D )
 
If Bush is such an idiot, why is he President of the US of A, and you are a pilot? Just what credentials do you have to pass judgement on the intellectual ability of someone else? Are you a trained IQ evaluater? Just what is your IQ? What is President Bush's IQ?

Did I run for president.? I think not.... It is sad that we have a man in office who couldn't even win the majority of the votes of the American people. If you have forgotten, your hero did loose the majority of the vote.. I am glad you are proud of what he has done since he took office. The economy is in shambles, the jobless rate is also "great", w of m destruction have been a joke in itself, can't find Osama, Saddam, etc, .... You surely have a lot to be proud of.... Nothing like having a maverick in office who is bringing this country down rather quickly.


What I see is a disrespectful young man, young enough to be so full of himself that he is unable to understand that someone who has ben around longer, written on the subject, worked as a professional, and lived life on both sides of the political fence just may have something of value to say to him.

What I see is an older man who thinks he knows everything and that he has so much to offer that he thinks he is always right.. You have proven nothing in your posts other than pointless "opinions" while trying to sell yourself on why you are so right while the rest of us are so wrong since we lack your "worldly" experience in life... Age is a number bud and I am sorry that you tend to think otherwise.. If you know so much about politics then why be in aviation.? I thought so... As for value? I could care less about your personal comments directed towards me since I take your posts for face value and that is not too much. You tend to think that your "silver" writing style is going to win over people and their my friend you are wrong. Keep trying to sell yourself and if you have nothing better to argue then continue to attempt use "age" to your advantage. Every single one of your political posts come across with no substance whatsoever, they are nothing more than a personal opinion.




I see nothing in his posts of substance. All I find is mud throwing. Can you point out to me something he has written that even approaches the dialog of someone like Mar? If I have missed it, please, point it out to me.


The feeling is mutual.. Surely you have quite abit of free time on your hands.. Media biz isn't going too well for you.?? I would think with as much intellectual ability, age, and skills that you attempt to prove that you have then surely you would be much sought after and a wanted individual throughout ...(maybee not)





350 strikes me as a Howard Stern listener from his attitude. Of course, I don't know him, but that young and cocky "I got the world by a string and I have nothin' to say" attitude almost drips with saracsm. Someone quoted some Shakespeare the other day, and I think it is appropriate here, in part:


I am a tad amused by that comment so thank you for the thought however quite a few that know me would tend to laugh right at you. "Young" maybee.... "Cocky" I tend to differ but I won't attempt to sell myself as you try to do throughout your posts... At first I truly had admiration and respect for you and I even attempted to help you out with job leads and I guess that I probably shouldn't have even done that since I am so "young" and "cocky" in your opinion.. So soon we seem to forget things.



Keep believing that you "know it all" and I hope that you get some followers to join in on your slowly moving bandwagon.


keep the laughs coming,


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What's your point? Idiots can't be President?


Typhoon- I am glad you will be voting as I will next year.:D Next time in DFW the drinks are on me..:p

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and you can even lighten the mood up on this board which is always a plus..
 
350DRIVER said:
Typhoon- I am glad you will be voting as I will next year.
Hold on now, sport! :D

I'm not certain how I'll vote next year. I know it won't be for the incumbent. That doesn't mean I'm voting Democrat, either. In fact, I think that's pretty unlikely, too.

So if you vote for someone who can't win (Perot, Nader, jsoceanlord, etc.), are you throwing your vote away?

Some days, I wonder if we wouldn't be better off if the terrorists had made it to Washington and wiped out the whole lot: Bush, Cheney, all one hundred senators, the Supreme Court, etc. Maybe if we could just start over from scratch...

(Attention FBI snoopers: no, I'm not serious!)
 
Careful, friend. Tread carefully.

Yeah, I make jokes about Ashcroft but the truth is the government is *very* aggressive right now.

I know a like-minded woman. She's very soft spoken. She hardly ever goes out. In fact she buys her books from Amazon.com.

She's recently bought a copy of Koran and some other middle eastern texts. These books all came registered mail or return receipt or something to that effect.

She didn't request that and previous orders all came without the additional documentation.

Not trying to be too paranoid but it would be naive to think that we enjoy the same freedoms after Sept 2001 as we did before.

350--What can I say? You are cocky and bitter. We may feel the same way about politics and aviation but I have to be honest: Your delivery is, how shall I put it?

Punkass?

Yeah. I think that about sums it up. Come on man, lighten up.

Listen, I have a theory: I believe we hate in others what we most hate about ourselves.

Think about it.

We all have qualities we don't like about ourselves. Wouldn't it be convenient to beat up someone just like us? An anti-ego? A doppelganger?

Think more. Speak less. Then the value of your words increases.

Peace brotha.
 
One last question.......

Does anyone who supports Bush's decision to declare war on Iraq believe he went about it the right way?

Would you have done things exactly the same way?

You have to admit it seemed like it did not matter to him what other people or countries believed. His mind was already made-up.

Nobody is perfect, but a president should consider other people's advice. (Those that gave reasons to not go to war).

Kind of like a captain that thinks "I'm the boss, nobody can tell me what to do."
Almost everyone knows this is a dangerous attitude to have in the cockpit.
Why should the White house be any different?

Let's put someone else in the cockpit of this country!
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Re: One last question.......

greyhound said:
You have to admit it seemed like it did not matter to him what other people or countries believed. His mind was already made-up.

Kind of like a captain that thinks "I'm the boss, nobody can tell me what to do." Almost everyone knows this is a dangerous attitude to have in the cockpit. Why should the White house be any different?
By establishing a long-term war on terrorism, Bush wrote himself a blank check. He's told us that we won't always understand why the government is doing what it's doing, but "trust us, it's for your own good."

Don't resist. Don't ask questions. Don't think. Just go to sleep and let Karl Rove make the decisions for you.

(And if you disagree with the administration, then the terrorists have won.)

That's what America's all about, isn't it?
 
Does anyone who supports Bush's decision to declare war on Iraq believe he went about it the right way?

Whether or not you supported him or not, one must question the "why" or "need" behind it.. It was bogus and false propaganda to begin with that the entire administration fed to attempt to "prove" a case for the war. False CIA info.? Now we are starting to see the many questions starting to appear that should have been asked long before now. Iraq posed no danger to us and nothing could be proven to tie them to 911. To put the icing on the cake not only was there no proof or evidence to do this but Bush had absolutely no exit plan in mind to get out of Iraq (big problem as it is becoming more evident day after day), went against the UN, isolated us against many other countries, created many more enemies that will attempt more against this nation, etc, etc, etc, ... Now present day the administration has a complete mess on its hands and now this whole botched war is coming back to bite them in the a$$. Just ask yourself this question, "what have we found over there".?? Pretty easy answer to the question.. As every day goes by we are pi$$ing more of the Iraqi people off since they want us off their soil, more US troops are dying, we have no exit plan, more attacks are happening more frequently, etc, etc, .. Bush has got us into this and now it is quite apparent that he has no way or plan in mind to get us out of this mess... The next administration is going to inherit a complete nightmare that will take years to correct. I cannot blame the other nations for refusing to send troops to help, I personally would not aide this war either if I were them since it was pretty much uncalled for with what has been uncovered thus far.






Would you have done things exactly the same way?

YES... This was botched from the get go and now Bush has an absolute mess on his hands. Instead of being a maverick and outlaw he should have allowed the UN and other nations to come up with a plan so he did not isolate the US from many others. Now this has come back to haunt him and will continue to do so for the long run.





Nobody is perfect, but a president should consider other people's advice. (Those that gave reasons to not go to war).


Bush did not care about anything else but what he wanted to do so he blatantly refused to listen to the UN and the other nations who used logical reasoning. He had no proof or evidence other than his own agenda and no matter what was shown by the other nations and the UN he was determined to go to war if that was the last thing that he did on the face on this earth... When you are an outlaw you do as you wish without listening to others.




Why should the White house be any different?


It should not be and that is why "change" is on the way.. Enough people have seen first hand what an abuse of power can do..





Let's put someone else in the cockpit of this country!

Enough said and that will take place next year. Let's just hope he doesn't do too much more damage before next year.


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350:

I am going to enjoy hearing you blow a vein for the next four years after Bush gets elected. I get a strong sense of satisfaction from the level of anger and frustration you express over it.

You would probably feel better if you took some action to move the world in a direction you want to see it go rather than rant and rave all day at the people who are doing what you are not. Your inaction is probably the true source of your anger...

Here's to four more years!
 
Four more years......

The voters will decide in 04.
But I'm sure glad I don't have to clean up after our president.
The next president will definitely have his work cut out.

Bush tried to bake a cake (IRAQ), made a mess in the kitchen(our country), and what's worse is that the cake did not even rise. (No WMD,No Sadaam, etc.etc.)

All that's left behind is the mess!:D
 
Typhoon1244 said:
What's your point? Idiots can't be President?

Ooooooooo-kay.

(Having a high I.Q. doesn't keep you from being an idiot. Just look at me... :D )

The dictionary defines idiot. To paraphrase, and idiot is someone with a mental age of two years or less, and unable to take care of themselves. I guess that an idiot could be President, but reason dictates that such an accomplishment would be highly unlikely.

enigma
 
350DRIVER said:
.... It is sad that we have a man in office who couldn't even win the majority of the votes of the American people. If you have forgotten, your hero did loose the majority of the vote..

Neither you, I, nor anyone else can state definitively who garnered the most votes. Period. We have been over this before. Maybe you weren't listening, or more likely, you are just repeating your lie often and hoping that it will stick. If anyone else cares, States do not always count every ballot. Once either candidate gains a majority of the registered voters, there is no need to continue counting. Most do attempt to count all votes, but do not always do so. Absentee ballots, especially overseas military ballots are sometimes not counted unless they could possibly effect the outcome.

So, George W. Bush could have gained more votes than Al Gore, or he could have gained less. We don't know. We do know that voting irregularities existed in Florida, and that those irregularities existed in areas controlled by the Democratics (mispelling intended, if the media always refers to the Democrat party as the Democratic party, so will I). We know that Al Gore attempted to recount only those areas where his party controlled the process. We know that the Florida Supreme Court ruled in an apparently illegal way, and that the US Supreme Court eventually had to take care of the problems.

I am glad you are proud of what he has done since he took office. The economy is in shambles, the jobless rate is also "great", w of m destruction have been a joke in itself, can't find Osama, Saddam, etc, .... You surely have a lot to be proud of.... Nothing like having a maverick in office who is bringing this country down rather quickly.


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Economy in shambles, you are either kidding or just plain mis-informed. Economic growth last quarter was the largest in twenty years. The jobless rate, incidentally a "lagging" indicator, is decreasing.

The previous administration gave us energy industry de-regulation that lead to Enron. It gave us regulatory environments that lead to Global Crossing, MCI/WorldCom. It tried it's dangdest to kill the goose that laid the golden egg when it went after Microsoft. And worst of all, it gave us a world that had no respect for our resolve. (Started by Reagan by the way when he pulled out of Lebanon if memory serves) We spent eight years failing to respond to aggression against us. The terrorism we face now could easily be expected to be much less in not non-existant had we not allowed terrorism to go unanswered. Our country sent a message to Osama, etc, that we were a toothless tiger. We allowed them to blow up the USS Cole, an Airforce barracks, an embassy, etc and never responded unless the President happened to have a domestic mess going on that required he divert attention away from himself.

President Bush is making mistakes in my book, but I'll be danged if I will allow your remarks to go unchallenged. Your assertions are incorrect.

enigma
 
bart: I was trying to continue your tongue in cheek observation, but I guess I fell short. I don't right a lot of comedy material. But I guess that shows! :D

If you know so much about politics then why be in aviation.? I thought so... As for value? I could care less about your personal comments directed towards me since I take your posts for face value and that is not too much. You tend to think that your "silver" writing style is going to win over people and their my friend you are wrong. Keep trying to sell yourself and if you have nothing better to argue then continue to attempt use "age" to your advantage. Every single one of your political posts come across with no substance whatsoever, they are nothing more than a personal opinion.

Why be in aviation? Good question. It was something that I did with my father when I was young, and I hadn't pursued it before. When I was in first grade, and the DC-3 was the primary "airliner" one would often see, I thought of how great it would be to fly one. If I have the chance, and the money to spare, I will at least get some instruction in one. But I got into aviation to explore my dream a little, which I did, and to enjoy flying, which I do.

Of course you wouldn't take my comments to heart. I'd be surprised if you did.

Silver writing style? Hmmm. That almost sounds like a compliment. In that case, thank you.

Age is like hours in a logbook. It doesn't have any guarantee of experience. It DOES represent the oportunity to build life experience that you might not have if your age is a smaller number. When I see the cocky, the bitter, the "punkass" (a little strong there, Mar :) ) it reminds me of stages of life that I have already walked, stages that I try every day to avoid walking a second (or third) time. I'm not a mean person, and I'm not running for office, at least this year, so I'm not trying to "sell myself" to anyone. I don't have to.

I suppose one could argue that the value of my posts is in the mind of the reader, but I always try to pose a substantial logical structure when I argue a point. If I have something to say, I first have to decide if it is worthwhile. If so, then how can I be persuasive in my argument? Believe me, 350, age doesn't make anyone right, it just gives you more chances to get good input into your decision making process.

Let's veer back to the business at hand.

It is sad that we have a man in office who couldn't even win the majority of the votes of the American people.

I'm certain I don't have to explain the purpose of the electoral college to you, so we'll skip that. To my mind, the shame is that a great portion of the population didn't even care to vote in the election. If so, perhaps the percentage for Bush would have been higher. Perhaps not.

The economy is in shambles, the jobless rate is also "great", w of m destruction have been a joke in itself, can't find Osama, Saddam, etc, .... You surely have a lot to be proud of.... Nothing like having a maverick in office who is bringing this country down rather quickly.

All of this would be good criticism. Except that is, for one thing. You haven't produced any evidence, or even a theory of how anyone else, ANYONE, could have done a better job. There is an economic recession, just like any other, but made worse by the "uncertainty" of 9-11. Bush's fault for the jobless rate?

No.

WMD a joke? Who could have done a better job? Algore? Why? Present your case. He would have had the same intelligence gathering and anylitical capabilities. Let's follow that idea a little. Say Al decided to do nothing. At this point, the WMD could still be in Iraq, instead of being moved to Syria, which is what I think happened to them. In this case, they are still in Iraq, still under Sadaam's control, and still ready for use. In this secario, I see the danger as being greater than the current threat level. Now they are hidden, secured, and under wraps by someone other than Sadaam. It's hard for him to get to them, and hard to use them. His forces are scattered, and his loyal troops are reduced to the occasional helicopter attack, not the slaughter of hundreds.

Can't find Osama and Sadaam? Okay, then, who could do better? Name the individual.

This is what I mean when I observe that people can only throw stones. It's easy. And, it's vacuous.



If you know so much about politics then why be in aviation.? I thought so...

Well, I know what I know about politics because of what I have done in the past, for sure, but I also feel it is a part of our duty as citizens to be an informed electorate. As for part two, like I said....I like to fly. It's a lousy business, but I didn't get in expecting to amass wealth. I like the discipline (which i don't always see in a lot of people I've flown with) the intellectual stimulation (of the job itself, not neccessarily the captain) and the sheer joy of looking out the window with a bird's eye view of creation.

I don't know what you thought.



Surely you have quite abit of free time on your hands.. Media biz isn't going too well for you.?? I would think with as much intellectual ability, age, and skills that you attempt to prove that you have then surely you would be much sought after and a wanted individual throughout ...(maybee not)

Ow, I have been struck to the quick!

Actually, the media biz is already recovering with the economy. Since I spent a period of two full years without any media marketing, I have a process of several months duration underway where I will find and woo a Ney York agent, one who also has an LA office, to supplement my Philadelphia agent. I go into the studio in NY on the 17th to record a narration demo for General Motors, the DoD, and several cable channels.

skills that you attempt to prove that you have then surely...

Let me explain something, since you seem to harp on this point a little bit. In media and publishing, when someone writes, speaks, is interviewed, or made reference to, there is some sort of "credential" that is included with that identification. You have no doubt seen on CNN a short interview featuring, say, "John Smith (not his name), President of Greenpeace International" (a typical CNN kind of apearance) .

Now, in personal conversation, you may already know the credential. If I talk to Bob Dole, for example, I already know a bunch of stuff about him. I know not to put out my right hand, but my left hand instead, and I know who he is, his background, and his experience. Knowing this helps put what he says into perspective. I'm talking to Bob Dole, not the chauffer who drives him. It gives me perspective and insight.

Now if I post something here, and I think that maybe, just maybe, some of my background and experience might be relevant to what I am posting, then I will mention it. Why would this mention be relevant? It gives the reader a small taste of my specific background in the area I am discussing. For example, I don't just guess about the motives and methods of liberal democrats, I spent over two decades as a true believer. If I have something to say about the homosexual movement, it isn't because I got a pamphet in the mail from Jerry Falwell, it's because I have know dozens of such poeple and worked in close proximity with them for even more decades.

So, I'm not so much selling myself as I am trying to provide a little background, as the speaker, for what is being said.

At first I truly had admiration and respect for you and I even attempted to help you out with job leads and I guess that I probably shouldn't have even done that since I am so "young" and "cocky" in your opinion.. So soon we seem to forget things.

Perhaps you stopped having any kind of respect when you made the post that elicited my response. Mar and I for example, often cross swords, but nobody bleeds, at least not much. (no, I won't insert a "bleeding heart" comment here, but it was tempting). Even Mar used the word "punkass", which is suprisingly pejorative for Mar.

Good Lord, man, we're a community here! Didn't I thank you for that job idea? I'm 99% certain that I did. A lot of guys here have supplied job leads, and every one of them gets a thank you. Most leads require a current 8410, and mine expired in May. Most require higher TT, and I can't just go out and rent a Skyhawk and make that go higher. Falcon Capt remined me last week or so of an SIC job at TEB. Turns out it is a guy who posts here, and with whom I have spoken before. I need both the 8410 AND to move within one hour of TEB to take that job, and it's only a few hours of flying a week. So, I can't do it.

And yes, I do appreciate it when people try to help, just I tried to help when I was flying. I haven't forgotten any of the help I've gotten here. So, I try to give something back by remaining an active and somewhat insightful participant here on this site.

Keep believing that you "know it all" and I hope that you get some followers to join in on your slowly moving bandwagon.

I have come close to believing that I "know it all", but that was when I was far younger. The more I learn, the more I am certain that I know very little. I don't have a "bandwagon" of my own. The one I am interested in seeing everyone get on is having an understanding of the values and principles upon which this country was founded, and gaining something from my experience as a liberal to help them accellerate the process of thinking for themselves instead of swallowing the Katie Couric line right down to the sinker. That's the bandwagon of becoming an informed and knowlegable electorate.

And do keep laughing. It's good for your blood pressure.
 
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Does anyone who supports Bush's decision to declare war on Iraq believe he went about it the right way?

I think he waited too long. This attempt to placate the UN gave Sadaam time to move WMD out of Iraq, and a dozen other things.

Surprise would have been better.

You have to admit it seemed like it did not matter to him what other people or countries believed. His mind was already made-up.

A great many other countries who complained had a big economic interest in Sadaam's regime, and they were not the countries who were attacked by terrorists, nor were they likely to be attacked by them in the future. No surprise that the French and several others disagreed. It doesn't make our decision wrong, though.

Nobody is perfect, but a president should consider other people's advice.

You don't know that he didn't consider other advice. All you know, and I know, is that he did not agree with that advice.



Let's put someone else in the cockpit of this country!

I for one am VERY interested to hear who it is you have in mind.
 
So if you vote for someone who can't win (Perot, Nader, jsoceanlord, etc.), are you throwing your vote away?

That's an interesting point of political philosophy. The answer may lie in how important you think it is that one political philosophy gains or retains control of the White House in a presidential election.

If it isn't all that important to you, if you adhere to the idea that both major parties are "the same", then you can freely go ahead and "vote your conscience" as they like to say. You can therefore show support for your favorite second-tier candidate, and affirm for the professional poll takers and election watchers that "X number of people suport the ideals of this alternative candidate".

If, however, you do not see the parties as identical, and you identify with one or the other philosophy, either a socialist style reallocation of wealth and a high level of government oversight where no trace of the intent of the founders is to be found, or a basic trust in the goodness and wisdom of the people, the right to public property, the right to bear arms responsibly, the right to fully engage in the religious beliefs that you hold no matter the forum, private or public, the right of states to make and have judicial review of laws, then you have an important choice to make regarding for whom you vote.

In practice, third parties draw away votes from the major parties, and can turn an election in an unexpected, and in my opinion, tragic direction.
 
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I am going to enjoy hearing you blow a vein for the next four years after Bush gets elected. I get a strong sense of satisfaction from the level of anger and frustration you express over it.

I'll find 350's reaction interesting, but I am far more interested in the why of his position, and the basis of his passionate, if somewhat abusive, opinions.

Truthfully, even though it seems very likely that Bush will be reelected, we don't know what positive or negative events will transpire before the election. We don't know if the number of informed Americans will continue to increase. We don't know if Howard Dean will turn a corner and suddenly protray himself as a centrist and be able to make himself visible on the screens of the millions of people who currently don't care about who is saying what in which debate.

The only clue I have as to the vitriolic nature of some of the posts here, as Mar alluded to when he wrote about the aspects of ourselves that we see in others, is the amount of venom I recall that I carried for conservatives in general, and Republicans in particular, when I was a young activist. I got ALL of my information about the issues from my favoite liberal sources: Walter Cronkite, Phillip and Daniel Berrigan, the New York Times, the many small satellite publications, the liberal folk singer/social activist types, and the speakers at various rallys and marches in which I took part.

I confined my information flow to one philosophy. In retrospect, that was a BIG mistake, and one that I feel confident that people still make. Now, I look at as many sides of an issue that I can find. I find reasons to be somewhat critical of the president whom I support, and I easily recognize the half truths and outright falsehoods of my former party. And, I try to remain both calm and mature in my opinions.

Which isn't always easy. :D
 
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Timebuilder said:
...a basic trust in the goodness and wisdom of the people, the right to public property, the right to bear arms responsibly, the right to fully engage in the religious beliefs that you hold no matter the forum, private or public, the right of states to make and have judicial review of laws...
T.B., you're a nice guy and obviously well read...

...but if you really honestly think that this sentence describes the core belief system of the Republican Party, you're on crack.
 

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