Polar Questions

[Whale Rider]

I got one for you, Its old news and its a broken record. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[AAflyer]

After seeing what UPS did to the challenge pilots I don't know if that is something the Polar or Atlas guys would want.


AA

 

[Whale Rider]

UPS won't be able to do to Polar/Atlas what it did to challenge. We're a whole different animal. Its not as simple as just taking route authority, its a lot more complicated than that.

 

[UPSer]

UPS won't be able to do to Polar/Atlas what it did to challenge. We're a whole different animal. Its not as simple as just taking route authority, its a lot more complicated than that.

You are right, you guys MIGHT be allowed to interview.

 

[Whale Rider]

Here's one for you, UPS senior management said recently that UPS was not finished with aquiring additional freight forwading companies, and there are rumors here of UPS again interested in Polar/Atlas. They are probably most interested in Polar's route authority and the -400s.

Oh well, like you said, Its just a RUMOR.

 

[Tomct]

Man, I think that would be a bad deal if UPS bought Polar or Atlas. There needs to be competition out there to keep all of these companies honest! I hope that is just a rumor and that Polar and Atlas merge and become one BIG company. I think that they could really do some damage (as in market share) to the other companies out there! Hopefully, I will hear something from them SOON!!!

 

[UPSer]

Man, I think that would be a bad deal if UPS bought Polar or Atlas. There needs to be competition out there to keep all of these companies honest! I hope that is just a rumor and that Polar and Atlas merge and become one BIG company. I think that they could really do some damage (as in market share) to the other companies out there! Hopefully, I will hear something from them SOON!!!

It's nice to know that you are all in favor of a bottom feeder taking market share from two of the dwindling number of airlines worth working for ( FedEx and UPS ). I'm sure you are all in favor of your RJs taking flying away from mainline. It's amazing now how many pilots, mostly at the regionals or bottom feeders, that are actually joyful at the bad economic news hitting the mainlines. I hope you enjoy flying that RJ, for it will be all you will see for many, many years.

 

[GCD]

UPSer,

I feel your pain, man. Your'e like a Kerry voter. You just can't get over it. You can't get over AAWWH (Atlas and Polar) getting more route structure, more market share, and the fact that the FedUPS suit can't ruin DHL's business, so you resort to calling us names.

You seem to have the "woe for us attitude," not addressing the real problem. Obviously, you can't see that the economy is booming for cargo, and there is enough for all of us. If you lose any of the share, it's not our fault. Try your marketing department. We don't have catchy little phrases like, "what blue and white can do for you." Our marketing department, however, is out shaking the heck out of the bushes for share. Between Atlas and Polar, we have a great reputation with customers. I wish that Uncle Sam didn't have me for this busy season, as it is going to be a busy and fun one, which I will miss.

You, also, seem to have a personal problem with the professionals at Atlas and Polar. Calling us Bottom Feeders. Well, I wouldn't call you a name. In fact, I would probably offer to buy you a beer. You see, I am able to separate what my company or your company does from how professional pilots should interact. I could say some really mean things about UPS and FedEX, but I am above that as a professional.

I hope you have a busy and fun season.

 

[flybrowntails]

GCD:

great point! brown's marketing is a laugh. purple has some great commercials. "what can brown do for you?" uhh-where do I start. Oh-yeh we have Dale Jarrett (nascar)-that makes up for it ??!!

i too could say some things about brown--but where will it get me. i think i would rather take you up on that beer--say first one is on me.

fbt

 

[Whale Rider]

UPSer,

I feel your pain, man. Your'e like a Kerry voter. You just can't get over it. You can't get over AAWWH (Atlas and Polar) getting more route structure, more market share, and the fact that the FedUPS suit can't ruin DHL's business, so you resort to calling us names.

You seem to have the "woe for us attitude," not addressing the real problem. Obviously, you can't see that the economy is booming for cargo, and there is enough for all of us. If you lose any of the share, it's not our fault. Try your marketing department. We don't have catchy little phrases like, "what blue and white can do for you." Our marketing department, however, is out shaking the heck out of the bushes for share. Between Atlas and Polar, we have a great reputation with customers. I wish that Uncle Sam didn't have me for this busy season, as it is going to be a busy and fun one, which I will miss.

You, also, seem to have a personal problem with the professionals at Atlas and Polar. Calling us Bottom Feeders. Well, I wouldn't call you a name. In fact, I would probaly offer to buy you a beer. You see, I am able to separate what my company or your company does from how professional pilots should interact. I could say some really mean things about UPS and FedEX, but I am above that as a professional.

I hope you have a busy and fun season.

Thank you GCD! I tip my Wing to you Sir. Save your money...I'll buy the Beer.

 

[Rhoid]

Laugh now whalerider and gcd, just try and laugh when you are in that interview room in SDF! Remember what happened to the challenge crews.

If, and I repeat If UPS is interested in Atlas/Polar, the ONLY things they would want are Polar's routes and the 747-400s. They most definately would not take the crews outright and the BEST that you guys could hope for would be an interview to the bottom of the UPS seniority list. But then again, remember what happened to challenge.

 

[GCD]

Rhoid,

I don't see where we were laughing at UPSer. I was just making a point about there being enough share for all of us!

I was also trying to make a point about professionalism in our ranks, which you obviously missed by tanting us about losing our jobs, which will not happen.

 

[b747dogg]

UPS didn't even give the Challenge guys an interview or a reach around!!!

 

[Big Beer Belly]

UPS didn't even give the Challenge guys an interview or a reach around!!!

The information I got was that Challenge was largely composed of ex-Pan Am SCABS. Have you heard differently or are you for harmoniously integrating SCABS onto your seniority list?

 

[B-atch]

Another PRE-MADONNA!!

UPSer..... If I remember correctly, UPS started out as a "BOTTOM FEEDER" composed of Missfits whom no one would hire...Whos to say that Polar might someday grow into a power-house airline..Polar did not acquire route authority into Narita, 5th freedom rights slots into HongKong-Manila-Incheon, and most recently 9 China slots because of our good MANNERS...We have earned this through hard work, determination, and good service..Besides, we might not make "THE BIG BUCKS" like you guys do , but I bet you'r yearly salary that we have more FUN than any of you BROWN boys... Oh by the way, we don't have anyone loocking over our shoulder and we dont get repremanded for over-burning or being 2 minutes late.... Good luck with you'r carreer, and let the rest of us earn our bread and butter as best we can..

PS.. Our uniforms are better loocking than you'rs.....

 

[Rhoid]

PS.. Our uniforms are better loocking than you'rs.....

Maybe, but UPSer's W2 is bigger than yours!!!! And that's what really counts!

 

[B-atch]

Over you'r head

I Guess you MISSED THE WHOLE POINT!!! Besides, 3rd year f/o at polar has a 6 figure earning potential..That's how good our rigs are. But that's another subject.. I'm not arguing that UPS is a better Co. with better pay and bennies than Polar. But my "POINT" IS. We are not a "bottom feeder" we are a fairly new Co. with incredible potential for growth and a real THORN in UPS's turf.
By the way..Good luck with you'r search for a MAJOR AIRLINE job....If you are interested, Polar is hiring

 

[SWABUM]

Quick question for a buddy of mine. He is in his mid 30's and Polar Captain. He is happy at Polar and makes about $120,000 year. He has a class date at SWA. What would you do????

 

[Rhoid]

I Guess you MISSED THE WHOLE POINT!!! Besides, 3rd year f/o at polar has a 6 figure earning potential..That's how good our rigs are. But that's another subject.. I'm not arguing that UPS is a better Co. with better pay and bennies than Polar. But my "POINT" IS. We are not a "bottom feeder" we are a fairly new Co. with incredible potential for growth and a real THORN in UPS's turf.
By the way..Good luck with you'r search for a MAJOR AIRLINE job....If you are interested, Polar is hiring

Two points you failed to mention. 1- To earn 6 figures at 3rd yr pay, you have no life left for yourself and 2- If indeed Polar ever becomes a THORN in UPS' turf, UPS will find a way to make Polar go away.

 

[Rhoid]

I Guess you MISSED THE WHOLE POINT!!! Besides, 3rd year f/o at polar has a 6 figure earning potential..That's how good our rigs are. But that's another subject.. I'm not arguing that UPS is a better Co. with better pay and bennies than Polar. But my "POINT" IS. We are not a "bottom feeder" we are a fairly new Co. with incredible potential for growth and a real THORN in UPS's turf.
By the way..Good luck with you'r search for a MAJOR AIRLINE job....If you are interested, Polar is hiring

Your ego may not let you think that Polar is a "bottom feeder", but the fact remains that Polar's pay is definately in the "bottom feeder" category. Since you brought it up, third yr guarantee is approx $54K a yr. To make 6 figures, you would have to totally whore yourself out. If flying a whale as a senior captain for $103K guarantee and no retirement is not "bottom feeder" category, I don't know what is.

 

[Whale Rider]

There are 3 points you failed to mention Rhoid:

#1. You don't know the Polar/Atlas payscale.

#2 Polar/Atlas does have Retirement.

#3 Maybe you should get out of the bottom feeder you work for before
passing judgment on others.

 

[heilhaavir]

How funny, big guys arguing about petty s**t......... First of all it's an OLD rumor. Secondly, Atlas made that mistake already, they thought that by buying PO they would automatically get the asian slots and probably get rid of PO. Would have loved to see the look on the AAWH board members' faces when the Js told them that a name change would mean slots go back out to bid....... So why in the hell would any reputable company with good legal advice (i suppose) want to do the same mistake? I'm sure they're smarter than their pilots, isn't management supposed to be?? hahahahahahahaha

So guys why waste time arguing on who will or will not buy us, keep us or throw us..........who cares??? I surely don't.

I'm having fun and by the way, some of us know how to play the contract Not just yet a 3rd year FO, already was at 6 figures at the beginning of last month and have an average of 15.7 days at home this year. Am I a whore? What is a whore in your book? Might not be as good as the BIG guys comenting on this board, but it sure satisfies me!

Happy holidays guys and gals,
Cheerios

 

[CCDiscoB]

New Rule

Guys, RHOID's post aren't worthy of a reply. New rule, lets ignore his posts. Arguing with him is like arguing with a kid in high school about whose team is better. He's got a LONG way to go before Polar will even look at him.



Hey RHOID, why hasn't your big time buddy at UPS gotten you an interview yet? Dream on rookie.

 

[B-atch]

I'm MAD NOW!!

YEAH!!!....AND......AND.....We don't have to wear hats...There you have it...

 

[Mooseflyer]

and have an average of 15.7 days at home this year.

Now THAT'S some TDY!!

 

[flybrowntails]

Rhoid:

man what is your deal?!

fbt

 

[N984TW]

Here is some Polar information for those interested. I have been flying the 747-400 at Polar for over 2 years. Although JFK is the only base, most trips do not begin or end there so we usually commercial to/from home to begin or end a trip. Most -400 trips begin and end at ORD. ORD is by far our busiest city in the US.

Schedules vary and obviously seniority will get you a better schedule but trips are usually 16 days. Line holders can not be junior assigned so you get 14 or 15 days off in a month. Also, you can wave rest at the end of a trip which can get you home a day early. In a 31 day month, I usually have 16 days off. It's actually a good schedule here. We have some 60 day lines which often have trips which are shorter. I generally have a line that will require me to be away 5 days/11days/16days throughout a 2-month period. The -400 flying is almost all scheduled service to major airports. The aircraft is very reliable so I seem to stick to my line most of the time. The classic does a lot more charter/AMC flying so you tend to go to more out-of-the-way places and military bases. Of course, the classic has much MX issues so it is more difficult there to stay on your line.

Reserve line holders have 16 days of RSV. They can be involuntarily extended for 3 days. I was on reserve my first year and was extended 1 time for 3 days.

Polar has been flying a lot of freight and it seems like business has been good - especially the PVG routes. PVG is full every flight and we are turning freight away there. We get 3 more slots in March and I'm sure we'll use them. The problem with Polar is that all of our growth (there has been a lot) is being flown by Atlas airplanes so there hasn't been much hiring or movement here. I was hired in 2002 and maybe 30 guys have been hired behind me on the -400. There have not been many upgrades since I started so I really haven't moved up the list.

Whether Polar is profitable remains a mystery. Being a wholly-owned sub of Atlas makes it difficult to get financial info on the Company.

Pay at Polar is not bad. www.airlinepilotpay.com has the rates. 1st year pay is $55 - 2nd is $65. Overtime here is really lucrative. Some guys who like to work on their days off make a lot of bonus pay. Days off flying is all above guarantee and there is bonus pay of 2 hours on the 1st day, 4 hours on the 2nd day, and 6 hours from then on. An FO can make 100K if he works a lot of OT.

Overall, Polar is a pretty good place to work. Most of the guys are pretty laid back and the crews seem to get together a lot on layovers. Sometimes the schedules are tough - being away for over 2 weeks is difficult on your family but all things considered - with everything being so bad at the pax carriers I think I am fortunate to be here.

Anyone who wants any more info, feel free to e-mail me.

 

[heilhaavir]

Now THAT'S some TDY!!

You're correct Mooseflyer I should have reread myself, I meant an average of 15.7 days at home "per month" this year........

Good catch
Pat

 

[freightdogfred]

There are 3 points you failed to mention Rhoid:

#1. You don't know the Polar/Atlas payscale.

#2 Polar/Atlas does have Retirement.

#3 Maybe you should get out of the bottom feeder you work for before
passing judgment on others.

Dude, don't bother arguing with Rhoid...His moniker speaks for itself. Research some of his posts and you'l' find him on kneepads, begging a UPS guy for a letter of rec who happens to be the same guy he dissed on a different thread.

He's just a flamer, (pun intended)

The dog