PNCL and Wing Lights

[AvroJockey]

This is not ment to be flaime bait.

I was wondering why about half of the CRJs taxiing around have their wing lights on. It's not every aircraft, but was wondering if this is a procedure.

It's really annoying to other crews.

 

[Ted Striker]

This is not ment to be flaime bait.

I was wondering why about half of the CRJs taxiing around have their wing lights on. It's not every aircraft, but was wondering if this is a procedure.

It's really annoying to other crews.

I don't work at Pinnacle, but are you talking about the wing inspection lights on the CRJ or something else?

 

[rightrudder]

I don't work for Pinnacle, but do fly the CRJ for another carrier. The CRJ Taxi/Recog light are wing mounted, not on the nose gear. The nosegear light is the landing light.

 

[TedCFII]

The wing inspection light "should" be on in low visibility and anytime your in the Alley in DTW.. so says the FOM.....

 

[another cfii]

Taxi light/landing light are located in the root of the wing, and the wing inspection light is just located below the overwing emergency exit, spotting the winglets. We turn on all exterior lights, excluding landing lights when we take the active rwy, until clearance receives, then landing lights as well.

Of course here at PCL, nothing is what it seems. So keep that in mind.

 

[The_Russian]

Ok, I thought I was dumb for a sec....

The landing lights are on the wing root. Since when have they been on the nosegear? FAA wants them on below 10K. I worked on ASA CRJ's and the wing root lights were labeled "landing". CL600-604 is the same.

 

[PCL_128]

The lights at the wing root are both taxi/recog and landing lights. There is no light on the nosegear, but there are landing lights on the bottom part of the nose. Company manuals say to leave on the taxi/recog lights and wing inspection lights on at night, in the alley, and in low visibility. I know it can be annoying to the other crews at night, but it is in the book. Sorry.

 

[The_Russian]

Whats the deal with that RJDC stuff. I looked at the website and it looks like they do more harm than good. Did a forum search and nothing good came up.

 

[PCL_128]

Search a little bit harder. There's been quite a few very long threads on Flightinfo that have to do with the RJDC. You should find enough info to keep you reading for days.

 

[scabseeker]

looks like the Russian went trolling and hooked the elusive PCL 128 fish. Nice work fisherman.

 

[Metro752]

As a ramper, I have been startled to see CRJs coming down the alley late at night, they are not very visible from a distance unless they have more than their navs & anti col on. Mostly because I didn't hear them coming with all the jet noise, these are relatively quiet idling. I can't see the anti col from head on for some reason.

Wish whoever operates the NWA CRJs into Chicago would have their taxi lights on too.

 

[Weasil]

Ok, I thought I was dumb for a sec....

The landing lights are on the wing root. Since when have they been on the nosegear? FAA wants them on below 10K. I worked on ASA CRJ's and the wing root lights were labeled "landing". CL600-604 is the same.

There are 6 forward looking lights. 2 are noselanding lights. 2 lights are at each wingroot.... There is one taxi/recog light and one landing light on each wingroot. When you turn the taxi/recog light switch on you get one light lit on each wingroot.

When you turn the wing landing lights on, the taxi lights come on also so there are now 4 lights illuminated - this is what annoys other flight crews - I regularly see people doing this - turning on the wing landing lights for taxiing, instead of just turning on the taxi/recog lights... that might be what the original post was referring to.

 

[ohplease!]

just a little bit of common sense would tell you guys to turn off those lights unless you're approaching an intersection with an airport roadway. The rest of us don't want lights in our eyes at night. I know its in the book (its in mine as well) but, there are a lot of things in the book that we all fudge a little from time to time.

BTW, turning all your forward lights on when holding in position SCARES THE PISS OUT OF ME when I cross downfield! Stop it! The idea is to be more visible so that noone lands on you while you're holding. Guess what? You're forward lights are not pointing towards anyone whose going to land on you anyway. Strobes!!

 

[PCL_128]

I know its in the book (its in mine as well) but, there are a lot of things in the book that we all fudge a little from time to time.

Sorry, but I get payed to do what is in the book. I don't "fudge" things from time to time for convenience.

 

[ohplease!]

of course you do...

 

[DirkkDiggler]

just a little bit of common sense would tell you guys to turn off those lights unless you're approaching an intersection with an airport roadway. The rest of us don't want lights in our eyes at night. I know its in the book (its in mine as well) but, there are a lot of things in the book that we all fudge a little from time to time.

A little bit of common sense would dictate that if your company makes a special reference to taxiing with taxi lights on in one very specific spot on one airport that maybe they have a really good reason for doing so. You may not even have a clue what the reason is, but it was a good enough reason to change your FOM. You don't always know best. Just read what one of your rampers wrote a few lines before your statement.

 

[dondk]

This whole "light" deal at PNCL changes about every year.. Were do for yet another version of what someone wants.

 

[Lear70]

BTW, turning all your forward lights on when holding in position SCARES THE PISS OUT OF ME when I cross downfield! Stop it! The idea is to be more visible so that noone lands on you while you're holding. Guess what? You're forward lights are not pointing towards anyone whose going to land on you anyway. Strobes!!

We don't do that (or at least we're not supposed to). Landing lights are only to be turned on when the aircraft has been cleared for takeoff or cleared for landing. Position and hold is Wing Inspection Lights, Taxi Lights, and Strobe lights only.

If I'm turning directly towards someone or sitting in line with my brakes set, I'll turn them off as a courtesy, but otherwise they're on. Incidentally, I've noticed mainline does it too... "See and be seen" is a good thing in a busy airport environment - I'd rather bug someone that be filling out an incident report that includes aircraft damage or worse, hurt or kill someone. Those tug drivers are crazy and will pull right out in front of you!

 

[John_W_Thompson]

Anyone remember that thing called Operation Lights On? I think it came out in 1995 or so for GA aircraft. Anyway, as with previous posts, we don't use LANDING (the super bright ones in the wing root and on the nose gear) lights on the ground unless cleared for TKO or for landing. The Taxi/Recogs are either dimmer or more diffuse or both. And their angle is different.

 

[DoinTime]

This is not ment to be flaime bait.

I was wondering why about half of the CRJs taxiing around have their wing lights on. It's not every aircraft, but was wondering if this is a procedure.

It's really annoying to other crews.

Most PCL pilots realize that it is a pretty stupid policy and don't do it.