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Jun 25, 2002
Pledge Declared Unconstitutional

By David Kravets
Associated Press Writer
Wednesday, June 26, 2002; 2:22 PM

SAN FRANCISCO –– A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the Pledge of Allegiance is an unconstitutional endorsement of religion and cannot be recited in schools.

Pledge of allegiance declared unconstutional by 9th circuit court of appeals.

For those of you not familiar with the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia, that is the SFO area.

My apologies for this being off topic but this is just unfreaking believable!!!


:mad: :eek: :mad:
So our monetary system is unconstitutional too... "In God we trust" on every dollar and coin.

CA is known for their don't offend the [fill in blank with downtrodden classification of your choice] policies.

It's the only state where illegal immigrants get free college educations and health care while citizens are denied basic services. The only exception is citizens that are under 21, barefoot, and pregnant.

Flying at night will be easy in the state this summer, too. With rolling blackouts, only the airports and some hospitals will be lit up. The lights you see will be stars so no disorientation there.

Jedi Nein
I pledge allegiance
to the rainbow flag
of the Socialist Cooperative of San Francisco.
And to the perversity
for which it stands
Many genders
under Gaia
with condoms and abortions
for all.

Not at all

Not when you consider the beliefs about the constitution held by the hundreds of judges placed in their positions by liberal presidents over the past 25 years.

While only a very small minority, less than two percent of the population, is uncomfortable with the idea of the Unites States being "under God", the liberal court believes that the mere mention of God is a violation of the "establishment" clause.

This is the same group that believes that your twelve year old daughter should be able to go to school and have a secret trip to an abortion clinic. This has already happened.

The constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. Notwithstanding, of course, that the phrase fails to mention the worship of this God, that god, or any particular "god". It is the worship of God that defines the nature of a religion, not the mention.

Surprised? No.
What's next?

CNN.com's lead story:

Court rules Pledge of Allegiance 'unconstitutional'

SAN FRANCISCO, California (CNN) --A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. flag cannot be recited in public schools because the phrase "under God" endorses religion.

In a 2-1 decision, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that reciting the phrase was a violation of the constitutional separation of church and state and amounted to government endorsing religion.

If it stands, the ruling means schoolchildren -- at least in the nine Western states covered by the court -- cannot recite the pledge, according to The Associated Press.

"The recitation that ours is a nation 'under God' is not a mere acknowledgement that many Americans believe in a deity. Nor is it merely descriptive of the undeniable historical significance of religion in the founding of the Republic. Rather, the phrase 'one nation under God' in the context of the pledge is normative," the court said in its decision.

"To recite the pledge is not to describe the United States; instead it is to swear allegiance to the values for which the flag stands: unity, indivisibility, liberty, justice and -- since 1954 -- monotheism."

The phrase was added in 1954 through legislation signed by President Eisenhower. The appeals court noted that Eisenhower wrote then that "millions of our schoolchildren will daily proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural schoolhouse, the dedication of our nation and our people to the Almighty."

Although no child is forced to say the pledge, the judges said any child whose personal or religious beliefs prevented him from reciting the pledge was left with the "unacceptable choice between participating and protesting."

The case had been filed against the United States, the U.S. Congress, California, and two school districts and its officials by Andrew Newdow, an atheist whose daughter attends public school in California.

The government said that the phrase "under God" had minimal religious content.

But the appeals court said that teachers having classrooms reciting the pledge did not pass the coercion test. The court also said that an atheist or a holder of certain non-Judeo-Christian beliefs could see it as an attempt to "enforce a `religious orthodoxy' of monotheism."

The three-judge panel was not unanimous in the ruling.

Circuit Judge Ferdinand Fernandez, who agreed with some elements of the decision but disagreed with the overall opinion, said phrases such as "under God" or "In God We Trust" have "no tendency to establish religion in this country," except in the eyes of those who "most fervently would like to drive all tincture of religion out of the public life of our polity."

"My reading of the stelliscript suggests that upon Newdow's theory of our Constitution, accepted by my colleagues today, we will soon find ourselves prohibited from using our album of patriotic songs in many public settings. 'God Bless America' and 'America the Beautiful' will be gone for sure, and while use of the first and second stanzas of the Star Spangled Banner will still be permissible, we will be precluded from straying into the third. And currency beware!" wrote Fernandez.

The 9th Circuit is the most liberal and the most overturned appeals court in the country.

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This country is going to die by political correctness. Pretty soon, the constitution will be unconstitutional.
Thats from the San Francisco Court, one of the most liberal in the country. Many of their rulings are over-turned so cross your fingers.
So our monetary system is unconstitutional too... "In God we trust" on every dollar and coin
Actually they are thinking about changing that to in Gold We trust.:)
Just because I (and others) don't believe in some omnipotent being does not mean I want 12 year olds getting secret abortions. Oh, and I'm a Libertarian that is anti-abortion AND pro-choice. Thanks for the label though.

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