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batsky2000 said:The age 60 rule makes no sense, us that fly in the 135 world fly all over the globe, and have no schedule of where we are going from 1 day to the next like most 121 operations have, and 135 rules are not that much different from 121 rules, in some ways they are more stringent, and there are pilots that are in their 70's that fly heavy iron corporate jets all over with no problems, so what is the big deal to do the same at the airlines? NONE
hr2eternity said:What do you mean "heavy iron corporate jets"? What's your definition of heavy? Mine is an A380 going down with 600 pax onboard and a 65 year-old Captain and 59+ FO at the controls. That's heavy.
Call your senators and ask them to vote NO!!
TH>
miles otoole said:Mine's an A380 going down with 601 pax onboard and a 50 year-old Captain and 45+ FO at the controls. That's heavier. I called Senator Clinton and asked her to vote YES!! (BTW, I am 35 and want the option).
hr2eternity said:What do you mean "heavy iron corporate jets"? What's your definition of heavy? Mine is an A380 going down with 600 pax onboard and a 65 year-old Captain and 59+ FO at the controls. That's heavy.
Call your senators and ask them to vote NO!!
TH>
batsky2000 said:Sorry, I thought that most people knew or could figure that out, you must be the 1% that could not figure that out, Heavy Iron in the corporate world or 135 world are aircraft like Gulfstreams,Global Express,BBJ(Boeing Business Jet,aka B737-700),etc. they don't hold 600+, but they have ranges that go from 4800 NM to almost 7000 NM, there are pilots who are in their 70's flying these all over the world, we fly into places so remote that the airlines would never ever consider them places, and fly into high terrain airports all of the time, so if you are worried about a 65 year old pilot flying from New York to London and back, think about the 70 year old flying a $50 mil. airplane into a high mountain airport down to minimums with no problems, all I can say is that I have seen guys in their 40's and 50's that need to retire let alone some pilots that are 65
The whole 60 thing was a big political thing nothing else, otherwise they would have imposed the law for part 135 pilots also, our rules are more stringent than 121 anyways, and most of our flying requires much more carful planning, so vote YES
Okay I get your drift. Can you point to any airline distaster as in the above case, where the Capt. or F/O was in his/her late fifties that age was a casual or primary factor? If so, please show us where it happened. Since there are B747's being flown all over the world and in some tough places at that, by guys who are 60+, can you document any accidents where age was a factor in these cases. I am over 60, and I fly an airliner into places that have never seen airliners much less the one I fly. Yes, I have slowed down since I was in my forties simply because there is no need to rush. This is not a competition, it's a profession, nothing more nothing less. Supermen need not apply for these jobs unless of course you are flying combat missions, then conditioning is everything. I don't expect you agree with me, just acknowledge what is driving your real concern.hr2eternity said:154,500 lbs max takeoff wt isn't heavy in anyone's book--literally, or figuratively--corporate or 121. You missed my point: Corporate jet goes down with 4 pax and a 70 year old at controls=page 10 of local paper. 747-400 with 400 pax goes down 65 year old at the controls=on the cover of every paper in the world. You must be in the 1% of people who don't understand this simple analogy of what constitutes heavy.
SWA/FO said:Hey we just had a line check today, by a 79 year old FAA dude... He was way cool, but I found it kinda funny...