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Agreed. Those fighting for an inclusive union that supports our profession lost. This is not about me, I am just an observer of what happens in our profession. Our profession is important, individually I'm nothing.You need to get over yourself. You lost.
ALPA's level of representation should be determined by the union's constitution, not the size airplane a pilot operates. This is the whole point of the representational struggle at the lower end of our profession.ALPA national does nt control the nrgotiations at Delta. The Delta MEC does. Maybe it works that way at ASA and Comair. That is a YP, not an MP.
Delta negotiates the contracts and is in control of the operation. Delta decided to sell off ASA. I'm not sure how any of the mice have a stranglehold on the 900lb gorilla. You are going to have to explain that to me a little more.You seem very active in the Delta hiring threads; like maybe you want to come over here. I find that fascinating. Pretty much everything that you post is wrong. The exception would be the portfolio of connection carriers. I personally like this. It provides an outlet for Delta to keep competition for its feeder service fair. Too long have the regionals been profitable via lucrative contracts because they have a stanglehold on Delta connection flying. This levels the field a bit, and allows Delta to keep each in check with an underlying threat that another could just as easily step in and take its place.
Do you mean to say that job instability at the regionals helps offset higher mainline pay? If so, I disagree. If want reasoning, just ask, but it's inflammatory and I'm self editing the response.
What? Delta leases aircraft, buys the fuel, then subleases them to a company which does not have pilots, or operational experience and it would be too risky for Delta to just operate the airplanes themselves, what? An International destination that Delta code can go to on an RJ, but not on a DL aircraft, what? Again, please explain. I am completely confident in your ability to fly a CRJ900 and believe Delta could operate these airplane successfully. You don't have to bid it, you should have that choice.I too wish that all Delta flying could be done by Delta pilots, but the risk to the company would be just too great. Also, some of the flying that is done now could not legally happen at all because of foreign rules and regulation.
I am the union pilot you profess to to be, and unlike you I know that we live in the real world where utpoia does not exist. You guys screwed up, period.... You could now be flying to Paris for Delta during this exciting time of great--and more to come--international expansion. Alas, however, you wanted the upside but none of the downside.
So, this is retribution for asking ALPA to fairly employ its Constitution. Well, at least now we know and understand the logic behind ALPA's destructive actions.You will now pay for it as other airlines flow into Atlanta and CVG where you used to have your percieved-Delta-cannot-live-without-Comair-and-ASA-pilots niche.
So would you want us to get hired at Delta, or should we just leave the profession so your vindication is complete, or is that enough? What is enough?
-One list was never going to be allowed by the company
What is the difference?-A flow-through would have been a win-win situation for all, and approved by the company
We did lose. Our effort at directing ALPA towards a union based on inclusivity was vanquished by a union bent on exclusivity.Deal with it, and get over it
But what do you do after failure? Do you sit there, or do you pick yourself up and get back on task? I have been flying Delta passengers out of Atlanta for almost 10 years, should I give up just to satisfy some guy on a web board, or get on board with the Company I have already been serving and doing a good job at for years?
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