Pinnacle Washout Rate

[DirkkDiggler]

Read the first part of your quote and then tell me how you fit into the part that I've taken the liberty of boldfacing?

Is not technically a question it is a statement. I am not the most punctual flyer out there and you are not either.

Don't tell me whether I'm late to work or not. I don't know about your company, but if I'm not punctual more than three times I get fired. We like our flights to leave on time. I guess your company is much more relaxed. And my sentence is a rhetorical question and it does deserve a question mark.

 

[100LL... Again!]

I should be heads and shoulders above some people during training.

Troll alert.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

It's a wonder you made it through yourself. You don't even know the basics about the aircraft you fly. You must fly a really modified CL-65 if it has turbojets on it. Must be really noisy too. The CL-65 has turbofan engines! There's a big difference. I suggest you go back to training or at least read a book.

So..on a STAR where it says "Turbojets: Expect clearance to cross at 12,000 and 250 knots".....do you inform ATC that you're unable because you're in a "turbofan"? Or better yet, I was filling out a job application recently and it only had a column for "Turbojet" time and not "Turbofan". I called to questioned the recruiter about it and strangely enough...he hung up on me. Whats with that??

 

[Flying Colors]

I don't know about your company, but if I'm not puntual more than three times I get fired. We like our flights to leave on time. I guess your company is much more relaxed.

Punctual also means to use grammer or punctuate correctly which is what I meant, but I can see that you are also in desperate need of spell check.

All I'm saying is have an open mind on what you read on this board, because every smart a$$ comment you dish out someone is going to put you back in your place. If you got more to say then fine, you can have the last word.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Look through parts 91 and 61 - you will only find references to 'turbojet', when referring to jet powered aircraft.

Sort of like supercharging - all turbochargers are superchargers, but not all superchargers are turbochargers.

 

[Freight Dog]

Nice pi$$ing contest going on here.

Let me chime in - MY JET IS BIGGER THAN YOUR JET AND MY FLIGHT ATTENDANT CAN BEAT UP YOUR FLIGHT ATTENDANT!!!

 

[DirkkDiggler]

You can say what you want about what the regs say about turbojets but the truth is that a turbofan and a turbojet are completely different engines. Based on a lot of your rational, there really shouldn't be much difference between a turbojet and a turboprop. They both eat a lot of fuel and air and produce thrust. Therefore they must be very similar!

 

[HAZ-MAT]

"Let me chime in - MY JET IS BIGGER THAN YOUR JET AND MY FLIGHT ATTENDANT CAN BEAT UP YOUR FLIGHT ATTENDANT!!!"

In my Paris Hilton voice....
"Thats Hot!"

 

[HAZ-MAT]

The Lear 35 burns as much as a Caravan does in cruise... however... in the Lear we're at FL430, and in the Van, i was at 4,000!!!

 

[DirkkDiggler]

Flying Colors,


It really doesn't matter to me how many grammatical or spelling errors of mine that you point out. This is an aviation chat room and it doesn't make up for the fact that you don't know the difference between a turbojet and a turbofan engine. Just be careful before you use such strong words to bad mouth someone. You're not perfect yourself.

 

[DirkkDiggler]

[QUOTE HAZ-MAT]"Let me chime in - MY JET IS BIGGER THAN YOUR JET AND MY FLIGHT ATTENDANT CAN BEAT UP YOUR FLIGHT ATTENDANT!!!"

AND
[QUOTE HAZ-MAT]The Lear 35 burns as much as a Caravan does in cruise... however... in the Lear we're at FL430, and in the Van, i was at 4,000!!!

The first part of your quote sound like a tongue in cheek comment. But then your second quote really makes you sound like an idiot because you negate your initial quote.

 

[HAZ-MAT]

You're right, I am an idiot, thanks boss for pointing that out.

 

[Pukindog]

FYI... Riddle students do not operate the DA-20s or the MD-90 simulator. This is from the CAPT 'wonder pilot' program, which is basically a "Freedom Airlines" operations. It was created to bypass the Riddle instructor pilots (unionized) and around their contract to try to break the union! The capt guys are total morons... they pay $80,000... no degree included and think they will fly for Airtran with 300 hours (not joking).

 

[liv'n_on_credit]

Pinnacle washout rate

I'm still interested if anyone has any information on the Pinnacle washout rate. Last time I looked, that was the name of this thread, right?

Any Pinnacle new hires out there?? Let us know how things went in training. I want the good, the bad and even the ugly! Also, any tips on how not to become a "washout" at Pinnacle.

I want to know what I'm getting myself into.

 

[Lear70]

Well, I would have posted earlier, but there's so much trash talk on here I had to take a couple days to get through it... *snicker*


The washout rate in initial training is usually around the 10% mark, i.e. in a class of 20 you'll lose about 2 or even 3 who either:

a. thought they were too good and didn't bother studying their AS* off like everyone else.

b. didn't have the ability to quickly develop a scan in an all-glass aircraft if they've never flown one before PLUS learn all the callouts, FMA modes, and which mode to shoot which approach in PLUS learn how to fly a swept-wing jet through V1 cuts and rejected landings with an engine seizure just as they finish spooling up.

c. were too much of a tool and kept saying, "At XYZ airline" or "At XYZ university we did it THIS way." That smack will get you booted just as fast as anything else. No one gives a shiznit if you graduated from ERAU or UND or Polly's School of Beauty across from Graceland or even if you haven't graduated yet; we have several pilots doing their degrees through correspondence who know a degree doesn't make you a better pilot. Better at general knowledge and people skills? Maybe, but not a better pilot.

Fact is, your friend evidently already had a problem and shouldn't have jumped right on the bandwagon of another jet job, but rather found a turboprop 121 or even 135 job out there to build some turbine experience. Not everyone can go straight from a 152 to a CRJ; some simply have better instincts . It doesn't mean they won't EVENTUALLY learn enough to make the next step, nor does it mean they shouldn't be in the business; it's not NASA, it's a d*mn CRJ...

That said, you have to ensure some level of protection against people who can't cut it right now. Just like you have to ensure that guys trying to upgrade will get weeded if they can't manage the aircraft AND maintain situational awareness. Incidentally, the washout rate for captain upgrade is even higher than the INH washout rate (last I heard it was around 20%).

Hope that better answers your question.

P.S. I only went to Middle Tennessee State so I guess I should just be grateful I can get a jumpseat, huh? I have several friends here at PCL that went to ERAU and I don't recall a single one of them ever bragging about it - the one that did got fired 90 days after finishing OE. Just drop it... the cute little 19 year old flight attendant will NOT be impressed.