Pinnacle Washout Rate

[CubanSmoker]

Hey all. A buddy of mine came home all bummed out after getting let go in the sim stage of his training at 9E. He had some other trouble at a previous airline which I work at. I didn't want to pry when speaking to him so... What's the latest washout rate per class these days? For the 9E pilots that went through training lately, was the training weak in some area or does my buddy just not have what it takes for jets? Any ideas for another flying job for him?

Thanks

Smoker

 

[jumper52]

USA Jet!!!

I'm not sure what his current total time is or if he lives in the Detroit area, if so have him try USA Jet. (Great company with all the jet time you can get!)

Good luck to your buddy

 

[Yeah]

Tell the moron to hang it up.

 

[Sir Humpalot]

I wouldnt go as far as calling your buddy a moron, but he should have realized his weaknesses from his first washout and tried to correct himself the second time around. I am sure it is devastating but he needs to learn from his mistakes. It will be very difficult for him to explain in future interviews why he washed out twice.

During my training, my partner was very weak on systems to weight and balance. He had a hard time with the flows and everything in between. He had five years more experience than i but i ended up trying to explain things to him. I dont mind explaining stuff but atleast i expected him to pay attention in class. Our interview was thorough but i never could understand how he passed the interview process. I mean this guy had a hard time reading departure procedures. I helped him out but at the end, i realized that not everyone is made out to be an airline pilot.

Hope this helps.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

I wouldnt go as far as calling your buddy a moron, but he should have realized his weaknesses from his first washout and tried to correct himself the second time around. I am sure it is devastating but he needs to learn from his mistakes. It will be very difficult for him to explain in future interviews why he washed out twice.

During my training, my partner was very weak on systems to weight and balance. He had a hard time with the flows and everything in between. He had five years more experience than i but i ended up trying to explain things to him. I dont mind explaining stuff but atleast i expected him to pay attention in class. Our interview was thorough but i never could understand how he passed the interview process. I mean this guy had a hard time reading departure procedures. I helped him out but at the end, i realized that not everyone is made out to be an airline pilot.

Hope this helps.

So did he end up washing out?

 

[Flying Colors]

Well I would admit that our training department is not the greatest in the industry, in fact it is probably one of the worst so don't expect to be spoon feed thur training. The company hires professional instructors who has tons of aviation experience just none in the CRJ. So you can imagine how it like to have someone teach you systems on an aircraft that they probably have never flown. Everyone is stronger as a whole so getting in groups after is a recommended thing since your are not going to learn much in class. Avsoft makes a pretty good quick study guide for the CRJ systems.

I do believe the company sends the memory items and limitations on the CRJ an addition to all of the new hire info, KNOW THAT STUFF COLD.
But with all of the low timers coming over thinking they can fly a turbojet aircraft its a wonder why the washout rate is high.

 

[RiddleMan80]

My college (alma mattar now) does a real good job of preparing their graduates for airline training. They give you some sim experience and extensive training in systems. I feel very confident that when I get hired at a regional, I should be heads and shoulders above some people during training. Now, if I could only get my hours up a little quicker.

Not saying "my college is better than yours", but as more aviation universities add these to their cirriculums, I think we will see better success in a lot of training centers.

 

[PoorJetDriver]

The question is do they prepare you for the miserable wages and industry conditions?

 

[T-Gates]

My college (alma mattar now) does a real good job of preparing their graduates for airline training. They give you some sim experience and extensive training in systems. I feel very confident that when I get hired at a regional, I should be heads and shoulders above some people during training. Now, if I could only get my hours up a little quicker.

Not saying "my college is better than yours", but as more aviation universities add these to their cirriculums, I think we will see better success in a lot of training centers.

WTF???????????? You can't be real.....

Alright...who's bored on Hot Reserve this time??

 

[1.3XVso]

Are you sure about that wise guy? From what i've seen all the " low" timers have past all checkrides? Can't wait to meet ya!

 

[filejw]

Just a head's up from an oldtimer with 10 yrs in the sim .Make sure your IFR skills are up to speed.These company's are not going to spend much time with you if your scan is not up to par..

 

[chperplt]

My college (alma mattar now) does a real good job of preparing their graduates for airline training. They give you some sim experience and extensive training in systems. I feel very confident that when I get hired at a regional, I should be heads and shoulders above some people during training. Now, if I could only get my hours up a little quicker.

I sure hope you're joking!

I graduated from your alma matter with two degrees. None of those systems classes or any other class for that matter will get you ready for ground school.

If you are serious, you have a lot to learn.. Good luck...you'll need it!

 

[CubanSmoker]

I was pretty shocked when I found out my buddy washed out and I think it may have been because he was kinda "scatter brained" as a student of mine. He's actually very smart - certainly not a moron... He did know his stuff and was a pretty good stick, but got frustrated often when things didn't go his way. I was under the impression he had outgrown that stuff since he was a pretty good flight instructor with 1500+ hours dual given.

So again, what has been the washout rate of the recent classes at 9E? Sir Humpalot, you're right, he's kinda screwed when it comes to any future interviews. Here's another question, do you think this fact that the airline knew he had washed out from a previous airline has anything to do with it?

Thanks
Smoker

 

[MCDU]

The guy needs to move on and find another career. Sounds like he is a moron.


marty

 

[Flying Colors]

Oh and I forgot to mention our motivated and enthusiast (sarcastically speaking) sim instructors who are mostly furloughed Northwest and Delta guys who really go out of there way to see you through your training. Most of whom are there just to pick up the check and go home. Another reason why some NFG's don't get thur.

Hey Hey Hey nothing against low timers, just know that without experience it make it that much more differcult to get to your goal. I have in fact flown with some of the low timers and 50% know what your doing and I have no problems with, but the other half it is amazing that you got through IOE. But I in a way don't blame you all, I blame the pricks in the training department who are there not for your benefit but their own.

 

[xrated]

Did he have an instrument rating yet? Requirements are VERY low at commuter airlines and he may have snuck through the hiring process. I sure he showed up, had a pulse and they said "HIRED".

 

[Yeah]

My college (alma mattar now) does a real good job of preparing their graduates for airline training. They give you some sim experience and extensive training in systems. I feel very confident that when I get hired at a regional, I should be heads and shoulders above some people during training. Now, if I could only get my hours up a little quicker.

Not saying "my college is better than yours", but as more aviation universities add these to their cirriculums, I think we will see better success in a lot of training centers.

Spoken like a true Riddle Dork. Hey along with that MD-90 sim time, don't forget to add the Frasca 141!!

 

[Sir Humpalot]

If i went to riddle, i would have not wasted my time studying countless hours. I wish i was a better person by going to riddle.

During my training, we had a riddle instructor who kept on saying "at riddle we did it this way." He was telling the instructor, who had thousands of hours on the airplane, how to teach. When will you riddle and und grads realize that the degree is worthless.

From my earlier posts, my partner was forced to resign.

 

[RiddleMan80]

If i went to riddle, i would have not wasted my time studying countless hours. I wish i was a better person by going to riddle.

During my training, we had a riddle instructor who kept on saying "at riddle we did it this way." He was telling the instructor, who had thousands of hours on the airplane, how to teach. When will you riddle and und grads realize that the degree is worthless.

From my earlier posts, my partner was forced to resign.

My degree is not worthless. Why do you think there are so many ads in magazines for ERAU? Because it is popular and you get the most education for your dollar.

I'm proud to say I'm a Riddle grad. Given, when I mention it to people who don't fly, they give me a strange look because they never heard of it. But when I mention it to other pilots (especially airline pilots) they have a lot of respect on their faces. It's like when a doctor says he graduated from Harvard.

Given, there are a few bad apples out there from Riddle. But, the majority of us are humble, hard working, and excellent pilots. Arrogance is common everywhere, not just Riddle.

It's a very well respected name in the aviation business.

 

[DirkkDiggler]

But with all of the low timers coming over thinking they can fly a turbojet aircraft its a wonder why the washout rate is high.

It's a wonder you made it through yourself. You don't even know the basics about the aircraft you fly. You must fly a really modified CL-65 if it has turbojets on it. Must be really noisy too. The CL-65 has turbofan engines! There's a big difference. I suggest you go back to training or at least read a book.