pinnacle stapler

[suupah]

So now that Colgan pilots are not ALPA...in the event the company is consolidated are Colgan pilots going to be the lucky recipients of a wonderful staple job?

 

[John Pennekamp]

BOHICA! Thank the 155 for that!

 

[LanceAir]

The Pinnacle MEC sent us a letter saying that a staple job was not going to happen...but...considering recent events, I wouldn't be surprised. I just hope that in the event of a merger, there will be BIG, LONG fences keeping the jets and props apart.

 

[LanceAir]

Can we get a staple job for the 155...? and maybe a generous insert for the 151?

 

[Kream926]

bill lumberg has already handed over the red swingline

 

[70-SS]

So now that Colgan pilots are not ALPA...in the event the company is consolidated are Colgan pilots going to be the lucky recipients of a wonderful staple job?

Funny you mention that. It goes back pretty far. Even if they went date of hire for colgan pilots they would be junior. Once again. Thanks colgan 155

 

[70-SS]

BOHICA! Thank the 155 for that!

Yes thank you colgan 155

you know who you are

 

[JoeMerchant]

Great recruiting tactic ALPA has.... Vote in ALPA or we staple your A$$....

1. ALPA doesn't have a good track record of forcing management to merge lists in the first place...

2. Ever heard of ALG/Mohawk? Probably wouldn't be a staple anyway..

3. ALPA carriers try to staple their fellow ALPA members when there is a merger.... Look at USAir and NWA, among others..... Your fellow ALPA "brothers" will try to staple anyone... ALPA or not.... The USAir pilots are threatening to leave ALPA because they couldn't staple the America West pilots... anyone see the irony here?

 

[pa31350pilot]

I know the USAir guys are upset, but that deal was not a merger! America West bought them.

 

[John Pennekamp]

The USAir pilots are threatening to leave ALPA because they couldn't staple the America West pilots... anyone see the irony here?

Not to get off topic, but the USAir pilots are threatening to leave because all of their furloughees are being stapled. Then the Mid Atlantic pilots are being stapled below that. Not the other way around.

 

[Inconceivable]

2. Ever heard of ALG/Mohawk? Probably wouldn't be a staple anyway..

I thought that only applied to two represented groups--a non-union shop has no "career expectations" to protect.

Read that again Colganites, you have no career expectations to protect without a union.

Oh yeah, you're just going to get your time and go to Delta/United/FedEx. Whatever.

 

[hoover]

I thought that only applied to two represented groups--a non-union shop has no "career expectations" to protect.

Read that again Colganites, you have no career expectations to protect without a union.

Oh yeah, you're just going to get your time and go to Delta/United/FedEx. Whatever.

A union shop has no "career expectations" to protect either. The only "expectation" any person can have about any career is that they will be paid for the work they have already done. The idea that "When-I-was-hired-I-expected-to-be-a-747-Captain-when-I-retired-so-therefore-I-am-owed-that" is ridiculous.

 

[G2T]

I know the USAir guys are upset, but that deal was not a merger! America West bought them.

Oh boy, here we go...

 

[PCL_128]

Great recruiting tactic ALPA has.... Vote in ALPA or we staple your A$$....

ALPA hasn't said anything about a staple to this point. Besides, this isn't a recruiting effort now, Joe. The organizing drive is over. The 155 screwed everyone over. So, no one is saying "vote for ALPA or get stapled."

1. ALPA doesn't have a good track record of forcing management to merge lists in the first place...

Did you miss Freedom/Mesa a few years ago? They achieved it through negotiations and also got a favorable ruling on a single-carrier petition from the NMB. Those are two avenues available to ALPA in this case also.

2. Ever heard of ALG/Mohawk? Probably wouldn't be a staple anyway..

Allegheny-Mohawk LPPs don't apply in this situation. They are only applied when the acquired carrier has a CBA that requires them. With the elimination of the CAB during deregulating, the LPPs ceased to exist unless specifically called for in a CBA.

3. ALPA carriers try to staple their fellow ALPA members when there is a merger.... Look at USAir and NWA, among others..... Your fellow ALPA "brothers" will try to staple anyone... ALPA or not.... The USAir pilots are threatening to leave ALPA because they couldn't staple the America West pilots... anyone see the irony here?

First, AAA didn't try to staple anyone. They wanted DOH, which is a very legitimate method of seniority integration. Second, even if an ALPA pilot group tries to staple a fellow ALPA pilot group, they won't be successful because it wouldn't fit within the confines of ALPA merger policy. That's the whole point here, Joe: the CJC pilots have zero protection. Merger policy would have protected them with ALPA representation, but now they have nothing.

 

[Thug Life]

maybe joe should have thought about this when he decided not to vote.