Pinnacle Emergency- Job Well Done!!

[liv'n_on_credit]

I'm sure TinGoose1 was in the cockpit at the time. He knows exactly what happened.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

I think the point is that the crew had to be notified that they were having engine trouble. End of point.

You have no idea that this was actually the case by reading some half-baked press account. If that is even close to what happened, it probably went more like this:

HEROIC PAX (Played by Wesley Snipes): THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT ENGINE! THE RIGHT ONE! DO SOMETHING OR WE WILL ALL DIE!

FA (Played by Jennifer Lopez- She also isn't getting much work these days): Ok, let me tell the pilot... Captian, we have a passenger that is like TOTALLY freaking out about the right engine...

CAPT (Played by Smilin' Paul... Who else?) No sweat! We already are aware of the problem. Prepare the cabin for an emergency landing, no need to brace as it will be a normal landing and make sure they stay seated after landing. I'll say something to the folks and we will be on the ground in five minutes.

FA: OK, but I am still not going out with you.

Obviously I embelleshed for dramatic effect. Chances are the crew was already working the emergency long before our "hero" was doing his thing. Besides, would you shut down an engine only because a passenger said it "sounded funny." I hope not.

Oh yeah. Nice job to the PCL crew.

 

[Rook]

You have no idea that this was actually the case by reading some half-baked press account. If that is even close to what happened, it probably went more like this:

HEROIC PAX (Played by Wesley Snipes): THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT ENGINE! THE RIGHT ONE! DO SOMETHING OR WE WILL ALL DIE!

FA (Played by Jennifer Lopez- She also isn't getting much work these days): Ok, let me tell the pilot... Captian, we have a passenger that is like TOTALLY freaking out about the right engine...

CAPT (Played by Smilin' Paul... Who else?) No sweat! We already are aware of the problem. Prepare the cabin for an emergency landing, no need to brace as it will be a normal landing and make sure they stay seated after landing. I'll say something to the folks and we will be on the ground in five minutes.

FA: OK, but I am still not going out with you.

Obviously I embelleshed for dramatic effect. Chances are the crew was already working the emergency long before our "hero" was doing his thing. Besides, would you shut down an engine only because a passenger said it "sounded funny." I hope not.

Oh yeah. Nice job to the PCL crew.

LOL! Nice LPC.:laugh:

And job well done to the 9E crew in SBN.

 

[acaTerry]

You have no idea that this was actually the case by reading some half-baked press account. If that is even close to what happened, it probably went more like this:

HEROIC PAX (Played by Wesley Snipes): THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT ENGINE! THE RIGHT ONE! DO SOMETHING OR WE WILL ALL DIE!

FA (Played by Jennifer Lopez- She also isn't getting much work these days): Ok, let me tell the pilot... Captian, we have a passenger that is like TOTALLY freaking out about the right engine...

CAPT (Played by Smilin' Paul... Who else?) No sweat! We already are aware of the problem. Prepare the cabin for an emergency landing, no need to brace as it will be a normal landing and make sure they stay seated after landing. I'll say something to the folks and we will be on the ground in five minutes.

FA: OK, but I am still not going out with you.

Obviously I embelleshed for dramatic effect. Chances are the crew was already working the emergency long before our "hero" was doing his thing. Besides, would you shut down an engine only because a passenger said it "sounded funny." I hope not.

Oh yeah. Nice job to the PCL crew.

I just wanted to say...good luck we're all counting on you.

BTW who is Smiling Paul?

 

[Detroitpilot22]

I can't believe the ignorance and stupidity of some people on this board. First off, when you have an engine failure, what is the first thing you do, you fly the airplane, which is probably what the pilots were doing as they attempted to figure out the problem. The pilot in the back that came up did what any other pilot would have done, offer his help. I am positive that the pilots knew there was an engine failure, i mean COME ON! The plane looses an engine, they bring it back, and to you people, we still did something wrong. Its almost like you people would have liked it better if they couldn't solve the problem and something bad happened. If this would have happened to SkyWest, southwest, jet blue, this board would have been filled with praise about what a good job they did. I think its time you show this airline some respect and let the 3701 thing rest.

 

[405]

TinGoose is making a run for it.

I think Gulfstream 200/Tingoose have jointly won the position of most ignorant pilots on this board. These are the kind of people I'd like to see get out of the aviation industry. They are both simply angry, negative crybabies and I would bet those around them get sick of their pessimism.

The 9E crew did a good job.

 

[Top Gum]

It's really not that uncommon for an engine to begin to disintegrate without giving any initial cockpit indications.

When I was an A&P with UPS we had a 727 come in trailing fire out of the #3 exhaust. I realized when talking to the crew that they had no indication of any problem.

Chunks of blades were found in the saddle ducts that were large enough to read part numbers on them!

I never heard a negative word spoken about the UPS crew!

 

[theskyking]

You 9E bashers are something else. Who gives a sh!t how the crew first got an indication that there was a problem. If the airplane systems didn't give them adequate warning, thank God there was a pilot in the back to let them know. What matters is what happened after the crew was aware of the problem. It sounds like we all should study what they did instead of spewing stupidity. Way to go guys.

 

[FlyBunny]

Good Job!

Yep, a crew lands the plane after an engine failure and they are still 'dumb' because the pilot in the back had to inform them. Jealously is reeking out of every ‘pour’ or the keystroke of … need I name the ignorant?

Have you ever heard of the master warning indication?

Well...but, yeah let's just accept the journalist's view based on the passenger view.
And for those of you who are still not 'over' the 410 episode...let me take you back to 1982 and the B737 accident at near DCA. Go ahead read it in detail and then we can all start bashing all the Air Force Fighter jocks who are now flying for the regionals and majors - for those of you too ignorant about anything on this board...the F/O was a F-15 pilot.

Give a break to fine ERAU, UND, and other flight school graduates where most of us weren’t able to afford training. I recently flew with a captain who’s a former Air Force pilot and all he does is belittle those pilots who have made mistakes while flying. One of his comments was: “…that’s why we’re’ better.”

Good job again to the 9E flight crew and god bless the souls of those who died in the 410 accident.

I rest my case.

Bunny

 

[erj-145mech]

I just wanted to say...good luck we're all counting on you.

And don't call me Shirley!

 

[liv'n_on_credit]

Striker, you're coming in too hot. Ease up on the throttle. Watch for that crosswind. Aim for the numbers, you'll have to dip your left wing. You're drifting, keep your eyes on the far end of the runway. You're too low dangit! Watch your stall speed. Ease her down, down. The brake . . . pull the red handle!

 

[GoingHot]

8 Jan 89; British Midland Airways ; near East Midlands Airport, UK

I think the point is that the crew had to be notified that they were having engine trouble. End of point.

If one of the PAX on this British flight had spoke up, they probably would have landed safely.

From accident report:

In the cabin, the passengers and the cabin attendants heard an unusual noise accompanied by moderate to severe vibration. Some passengers were also aware of what they described as smoke, but none could describe its colour or density. They described the smell of burning as 'rubber', 'oil' and 'hot metal'. Many saw signs of fire from the left engine, which they described variously as 'fire', 'torching' or 'sparks'. Several of the cabin attendants described the noise as a low, repetitive thudding, 'like a car backfiring', and one described how the shuddering shook the walls of the forward galley. The three flight attendants in the rear of the cabin saw evidence of fire from the No 1 engine, and two of them briefly saw light coloured smoke in the cabin. Soon after the No 2 engine was shut down the commander called the flight service manager (FSM) to the flight deck and asked him 'DID YOU GET SMOKE IN THE CABIN BACK THERE?', to which the FSM replied 'WE DID, YES.'. The commander then instructed the FSM to clear up the cabin and pack everything away. About one minute later the FSM returned to the flight deck and said 'SORRY TO TROUBLE YOU . . THE PASSENGERS ARE VERY VERY PANICKY'. The commander then broadcast to the passengers on the cabin address system that there was trouble with the right engine which had produced some smoke in the cabin, that the engine was now shut down and that they could expect to land at East Midlands Airport in about 10 minutes. The flight attendants who saw signs of fire on the left engine later stated that they had not heard the commander's reference to the right engine. However, many of the passengers who saw fire from the No 1 engine heard and were puzzled by the commander's reference to the right engine, but none brought the discrepancy to the attention of the cabin crew, even though several were aware of continuing vibration. The smell of smoke, however, had dissipated by the time the commander made this announcement.

 

[SSDD]

My problem is not with the crew, I mean you play the hand you're dealt. My problem is some of the people on this board, our expectations of ourselves have come way down.

An engine failure in an ALMOST centerline thrust jet is a non event! No prop to feather, no significant yaw, APR...what's next, praises for landing on centerline, for not landing at the wrong airport?

The crew did what was expected of them. They professionally handled a sitution. They did their job, nothing more, nothing less.

We need to behave like the professionals we claim to be.

 

[atrdriver]

I remember shutting down #1 on an ATR several years ago. The FA called up and asked if we knew the engine was shut down. I'm sure she told her friends that she was the one that alerted us to the problem. Passengers are, in general, idiots when it comes to what happens on an airplane. Chances are the pilots were already aware of any problem that they had, and the "pilot in back" that went to the cockpit to "alert" them was just a nuicance to them. They took care of the problem, and got it back on the ground with no further problems, I say good job.

 

[ultrarunner]

410 it dude!!!

like my spiked hair???

How prophetic, that a stupid comment from a couple of idiot pilots occurs right before they kill themselves....

That one will be around a long time....it's a classic.


Anyone seen it on a flight bag yet?

 

[ultrarunner]

delete

 

[FedEx1]

I agree with Detroitpilot. Of course the flying pilots knew they had a problem- it's an RJ crissakes, dontcha all think the thing was lit up like a christmas tree with alerts?? And the guy in the back was probably offering assistance.

And SSDD is right- though he didn't have to say it quite like that. It isn't a big deal because the pilots were well trained.

It's pretty crummy to bring up the 410 stuff.

 

[405]

How prophetic, that a stupid comment from a couple of idiot pilots occurs right before they kill themselves....

That one will be around a long time....it's a classic.


Anyone seen it on a flight bag yet?

You're funny, you spiked hair dude with a backpack.

You're tied with Gulfstream 200 and Tingoose1 now.

 

[OPECJet]

"Shut down the right engine??? No! That's EXACTLY what they'll be EXPECTING us to do!!!!!"

 

[difete]

I know the captain, we flew together in my last job. Good guy, nice to hear he did a job well done. I will be sending him a new pair of pants for christmas.