Pinnacle Contract

Smarta$$

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Pinnacle guys, How is the contract negotiations going? Is it something that might be done soon. How much of an improvement in FO rates are you expecting? any other info?
 

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Ahahaha!!!

Contract Negotiations were in full swing up until the beginning of Oct!!! They were rushing to get things done by the end of Jan or Feb so they would have hopes of bidding on new flying, however..........
With Everything in the Red Tailed family going on Uncle Phil came to the table asking the union for Concessions. Uh yeah, like we got anything else to give back?? They of course said "No way", Uncle Phil at that time, said, Fine all bets are off, cancel the rest of the 3 or 4 weeks of Negotiations we have scheduled!!! Then the best part comes!!!!
In our V files we got a nice letter from him stating "It is clear to me that the Union does not want negotiate a contract that allows us to stay within our current cost structure." Yeah No Sh!t!!!!
The Pilots at Pinnacle want to be paid more money and they want Trip and Duty Regs along with other improved work rules!! So negotiations??? Non existent until Dec 6th?? Then apparently they'll scratch their heads again and put it off some more. Uncle Phil has a plan to expand the business. Find more flying, buy 70 seat A/C, however Northwest will not not, or most likely will not give us those planes. If anyone gets them it will be a "Jet for Job" "Newco" thing or Mesaba will get them since they are taking the big hit here.
So nothing says 9E can't buy their own planes and fly for Colonel Sanders if they want, however in order to do that the Pilot Group at 9E will be forced into yet another bad contract. The Pilot group needs to take a stand at this point and time and strike. The Company is already understaffed as is. A strike would put a hurtin' on Uncle Phil's lifestyle. God forbid he's gotta downgrade the Rolls to a Jag!!!
 

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Mtnjam....you don't know shi* about the PCL pilot group or current negotiations. Just shut up.

Smarta$$...We are continuing with negotiations on the sections that are currently open (four sections I believe). The future of negotiations beyond that is currently unclear but the company claims that they will have a better idea of their future with NW by December.

FO's will clearly be the biggest gainers in terms of increased compensation as they are currently up to 35% below market rates.
 

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Its gotta be tough trying to negotiate a contract when EVERYONE is taking pay cuts...
 

Mtnjam

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doin time

Obviously doin time knows more than I do. That seems to be the way it is at 9E. Somebody always knows more than the next guy, however I don't see a contract coming anytime soon. The company has no benifit from doing so. They are saving money now. I don't see a good contract coming even when it does. At least not what folks are expecting........Time will tell........
 

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Not exactly correct...

Uncle Phil "needs" a new contract. Nonconnah has dreams or plans depending on how you look at it. The key to the dream is the pilot contract followed by the FA contract. No one is willing to jump into bed with uncle phil without these.

Will the next contract be industry leading? I doubt it, but it will get us up from the bottom part of the list.

I would anticipate some significant movmement on the contract in the upcomming months.
 

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Have you guys begun to negotiate the FO pay rates yet? What might they be changing to? Where is the process now?
 

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Does Pinnacle have any trip or duty rigs at all? Any min day? Is the only pay strictly actual flight pay or just block? Any extra pay for picking up extra or open time?
 

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Smarta$$ said:
Does Pinnacle have any trip or duty rigs at all? Any min day? Is the only pay strictly actual flight pay or just block? Any extra pay for picking up extra or open time?
Nope on the duty rigs.... no min days.... pay is based on trip values for leg with a trip value and for the legs w/ no trip value is whatever block is on that flight trip values are recalcuated every year..... normal pay for open time unless the company is desperate... JR is at 125% and ext are at 150%
 

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No wonder you guys parked 15 planes and still need to hire... I think I honestly would have kept my CFI job... and anyone that knows me knows that really says something...
 

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MtnJam: I agree with Doin Time, know whats going on before you comment, besides Phil allready drives a Jag.
 

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No Priority

You guys honestly think 9E is in a rush to get the contract done. I actually use to believe that until somebody pointed out some things to me which I will leave unmentioned, however this company will not see a contract by the end of this year, it won't be done by "Feb", infact I would be surprised if there is one done by the end of 2006.
Everyone's getting stoked about 70 and 90 seaters. I'm not even the slightest bit thrilled about it. All it's doing is downgrading the "pilot industry" 9E can go buy them on their own if the scope clause lifts but I guarantee those Crewmember's won't be making much more than the 50 seaters and they sure won't even come close to making what they should comapared to industry standards.
 

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D*mn... you guys are pretty harsh on Mtnjam, considering that the LAST UPDATE WE RECEIVED FROM THE MEC PRIOR TO LAST NIGHT'S PAY DAY HOTLINE SAID EXACTLY WHAT HE POSTED !!

The last OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT from the MEC, prior to yesterday (which was when he posted), was that the company had left negotiations because we weren't willing to back off our position on certain items. It also said there would be "informal talks" on certain items, then we got Phil's letter.

We didn't receive ANY NEW communication from the MEC about it until yesterday. MTNJam gave them the most recent information we had available.

IF communications were more regular about what's going on, then we wouldn't be having this discussion, as we would have WEEKLY UPDATES on what has been happening in:

Negotiations
Grievance Matters
Upcoming proposals by management in ANY change in FOM or Policy Manuals.

I don't like getting my information from Flightinfo about MY OWN FU*KING AIRLINE. :(

/rant

Incidentally, I don't think negotiations are going to be concluded anytime soon either. I believe we'll be 2007 or so before we see any real light at the end of the tunnel.

If memory serves, even if the company wanted 70- seaters NOW, if the Association didn't agree, the company could force Arbitration on JUST the pay rate for the NEW aircraft, without having to T.A. a new contract. Had a discussion about this with Wake some time ago... the company can continue to drag their feet until the cows come home.

The only real issue is the financing of any new aircraft and what bank and interest rate they'll get without a firm Agreement in place.

We're losing dozens of F/O's a month to Netjets and other regionals because the 1st and 2nd year pay is so low and the QOL is sub-par to other companies. Come here, get your time, then move on, just like everyone else has that can.
 
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