pinnacle class cancelled

[Carl_Spackler]

Can Any one tell me how many aircraft 9E has lost or scraped??

We have lost 1 airframe. Maybe somebody in DTW knows how many aircraft were "scraped" by XJ with jetbridges and ground equipment.

 

[Dodge]

A he11 of a lot less than XJ's own aircraft over the years. The pros in DTW have been junking up our old beat up planes for many years before your little jets arrived on the scene. DTW is equal opprotunity when it comes to poor service and procedures.

 

[IFIxUmUBrakeUm]

Mr Carl Spacker

Sorry wrong answer, try again

2 Jetstreams --
1 Saab
2 crjs

Mesaba

1 arj-- Maint

 

[another cfii]

When it comes to being a good CA, I believe that a lot of the F/O's 'sleep' during their time in the right seat and have no idea what it's like to make a command decision. Getting the type rating is the easy part. Actually being a Captain is something that should be gained through experience. And that experience comes from taking the good qualities from the good CA's you fly with, and remembering not to take the bad qualities from the bad left-seaters.

Well said... I try to treat every flight as my CA OE trips, as much as to learn the positive from every CA i fly with. I absolutely agree that the GIA program has nothing to do with the quality of line pilots at 9E, it has to do with the philosophies of mgmt that want to be "Simply the best", i.e. best at saving money, best at making our lives miserable, and so on... Most of us do really do a bang-up job every day, and I'm proud to be a part of this team.

I think it's time our MEC to put "training" as a more serious issue as to other issues in our upcoming contract talks, if it'll happen anytime soon

 

[NEWSOUTH]

Dodge............exactly

 

[FN FAL]

Oh... SNAP!
And what do you suggest we MAKE our MEC do AvroJockey? You should know that in a multi-counsel MEC the pilots have little, if any real input. We can jump up and down to our heart's content and it won't MAKE the union do anything it doesn't want to do.

That aside, our MEC is definitely pushing for changes - they have been for several years now. But when the company refuses to even MEET with the Training Committee for 3+ years and has no CONTRACTUAL provisions to MAKE the company respond to MEC-initiated safety concerns, what do you propose the MEC is to do?

Anyone?

You said 'anyone'. I'd say, document, document, document, SUE. In that order.

 

[CubanSmoker]

Should I warn the next XJ jumpseater I see that I'm not sure that it's 'safe' for them to ride along with us?

Please don't! Let's be professionals here. Please don't judge XJ or 9E pilots by the few morons on this board (with way too much time on their hands) that post nothing but trash. As a commuter, I couldn't get to work without the jumpseat on 9E and I make sure to remember that when a Pinnacle guy/gal knocks on the door up front needing a lift on one of my flights.

To me, all of this sibling rivalry is entertaining and alarming. The people that post garbage and attack everyone else that differs on their opinion need to step away from the keyboard, drink at least 2 beers (or whatever relaxes you) and get a hobby.

I came to the regionals after flying corporate for almost 6 years and I read the Corporate forum a lot. When I started reading this Regionals forum, I felt like I was reading some middle school web board used by teenagers. Does anyone else think that all the wound up XJ'ers and 9E'ers should go to their rooms and not come out until they have something nice to say?

 

[Mesabi Miner]

Film at 11:00

I wonder what the media would do with the text of a thread like this.

"Regional pilots admit 'airline is unsafe'" Film at 11:00.

Yeah, I agree. This p1ssing match is a bit much.

MM

 

[willis]

cubansmoker

i totally agree with you. Not all 9E pilots are mesaba bashers. I'm sure not all XJ pilots are 9E bashers either. Find a hobby, smoke a cuban, drink a beer, do something, besides talk smack.

 

[DTWFO]

I find it disturbing that a lot of the bashing of Pinnacle seems to be coming from XJ. How short their memories must be, and thanks for "standing by your brothers". What a load that was.


I can't believe how much free time you all have to waste.

 

[Dodge]

I will be the first XJ pilot to volunteer at the 9E strike center when you are in mediation/coolling off period. I support fellow ALPA members. I also want 9E to attain what the XJ MEC fell way short of and what was promised as goals.

I will also be the first XJ pilot to express my concern if your new contract has language that is anything short of XJ's scheduling, training, training pay, trip pay, trip guarantee, minimum pay, days off, hours of service, and pay rates for aircraft that your don't have. I have taken about all I can take of the ridicule from the loudmouth 9E pilots that have very limited experience in the airlines.

 

[sligo1]

Thanks

I'm 9e, a newhire street Capt, with a good number of hours and experience. I stand behind all ALPA brothers that want to make all of our quality of life better.

 

[1.3XVso]

Con U Air

- Pilots asked for altitude and airspeed; after answering "6000 feet and 300 knots"; controller asks them to repeat; they say "6000 feet and 300 knots"; controller asks for a third time; they say "6000 feet and 300 knots"; controller says "umm... can you slow to 250?"; pilots having no clue respond "we can give you whatever speed you want





That's what they get for getting recruits from Gulfstream. If they would hire exclusively DCA grads, they would know that they teach us the speed limit below 10000ft is 250kts. We practice that alot in the CRJ FTD.

Comair academy sucks ass buddy.

 

[ForgedBlade]

That's the quality of pilots pinnical has to upgrade


This is the comment I take offense to. I started as an F/O @ Express/Pncl. Got the time to upgrade and upgraded. Wasn't a low-timer, didn't PFT, got a crashpad during initial. If being PFT or not getting a hotel during your initial is the way you measure the quality of a pilot, then there are thousands of pilots here and overseas that must be unsafe. Don't make assumptions. Some of the best guys I've flown with have been high time, ex Boeing...or senior 9E'rs that did PFT...and even some of the newer GIA guys and gals are good sticks. For every one bad apple at 9E there are about 10 good ones.

Looks like a high overcast.
Better ask for Type IV.

Rook

JimmyHat,

You mean they actually upgraded you?!?!? What is the world coming to?!?!?!
Hope you guys are well.

JG

 

[38tango]

- Pilots asked for altitude and airspeed; after answering "6000 feet and 300 knots"; controller asks them to repeat; they say "6000 feet and 300 knots"; controller asks for a third time; they say "6000 feet and 300 knots"; controller says "umm... can you slow to 250?"; pilots having no clue respond "we can give you whatever speed you want





That's what they get for getting recruits from Gulfstream. If they would hire exclusively DCA grads, they would know that they teach us the speed limit below 10000ft is 250kts. We practice that alot in the CRJ FTD.

CRJ FTD...this seasoned veteran knows what he's talkin about allright. Maybe if you work really hard they'll let you do an internship lubricating the hydraulic jacks on the full motion sim. Monday morning quarterback alert.
I know a lot of people who fly for Pinnacle...most of them are completely capable and a few are more than likely nothing more than ballast, but doesn't that go with everywhere?
Save your recruiting speech retard, DCA isn't going to cure any problems...but you don't know that because all you ever hear from your management there is how great you guys think you are...lol

 

[Rook]

JimmyHat,

You mean they actually upgraded you?!?!? What is the world coming to?!?!?!
Hope you guys are well.

JG

Better believe it bro. Top 1/3 of the company and the lines still suck a$$. Hope life is good to you man.

Rook (Mr. James Hat aka Jimmy)
Looks like a high overcast.
Better ask for Type IV.

 

[Rook]

I'm 9e, a newhire street Capt, with a good number of hours and experience. I stand behind all ALPA brothers that want to make all of our quality of life better.

Hey sligo,

Welcome aboard. Once you start to ignore all of the Mickey mouse bull$hyt that goes on here, It's not that bad of a place to be. But then again my heavy drinking helps a lot too. Hope the screw schedulers are kind to you. Once again welcome.

Rook
Looks like a high overcast.
Better ask for Type IV.

 

[donaldd]

Pinnacle Sucks A$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Rook]

Pinnacle Sucks A$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It does?????????? (feigned surprise)

Rook

 

[donaldd]

You shouldn't be suprised.............you know it all too well! What other airline in this day and time has had to ADVERTISE for pilots in a NATIONAL publication (USA Today)? An obvious sign of recruiting problems. If they hadn't hired so many GIA Einstein's then they wouldn't have such a hard time finding competent, QUALIFIED line pilots to hold upgrade. What a JOKE! Pinnacle is an airline full of F' Ups. Both on the management side, as well as many in the pilot group. What a dysfunctional bunch of aviation MISFITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Rook]

You shouldn't be suprised.............you know it all too well! What other airline in this day and time has had to ADVERTISE for pilots in a NATIONAL publication (USA Today)? An obvious sign of recruiting problems. If they hadn't hired so many GIA Einstein's then they wouldn't have such a hard time finding competent, QUALIFIED line pilots to hold upgrade. What a JOKE! Pinnacle is an airline full of F' Ups. Both on the management side, as well as many in the pilot group. What a dysfunctional bunch of aviation MYSFITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could've sworn United did this at one time.

Rook

 

[Rook]

You shouldn't be suprised.............you know it all too well! What other airline in this day and time has had to ADVERTISE for pilots in a NATIONAL publication (USA Today)? An obvious sign of recruiting problems. If they hadn't hired so many GIA Einstein's then they wouldn't have such a hard time finding competent, QUALIFIED line pilots to hold upgrade. What a JOKE! Pinnacle is an airline full of F' Ups. Both on the management side, as well as many in the pilot group. What a dysfunctional bunch of aviation MYSFITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah we're not perfect...but at least I know how to spell MISFIT. (couldn't resist)

Rook

 

[Lear70]

Pinnacle Sucks A$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Training's back.

 

[ForgedBlade]

Better believe it bro. Top 1/3 of the company and the lines still suck a$$. Hope life is good to you man.

Rook (Mr. James Hat aka Jimmy)
Looks like a high overcast.
Better ask for Type IV.

**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, that sucks! Hangin' in there too and waiting to hear from some bigger and better things in the next couple months! Drop me a PM with your e-mail too. Keep an eye on Rich!!

P.S. I've flown with some crazy mo-fo's in the 757, so they ARE everywhere, not just at the regional level. Sorry you guys keep getting bashed.

 

[Rook]

**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, that sucks! Hangin' in there too and waiting to hear from some bigger and better things in the next couple months! Drop me a PM with your e-mail too. Keep an eye on Rich!!

P.S. I've flown with some crazy mo-fo's in the 757, so they ARE everywhere, not just at the regional level. Sorry you guys keep getting bashed.

Four years of being Rich's voice of reason is enough for me Yeah dude nothing's changed here but there are a handful of guys leaving. Hopefully good things will happen for all of us. I'll shoot you that email dude.

Rook (Mr. James aka 'Jimmy' Hat)

 

[donaldd]

Could've sworn United did this at one time.

Rook

Yes, they may have "at one time". My point is that no-one else has done it in this post 9/11 era. Like I said, an obvious sign of recruiting problems.

 

[Rook]

Yes, the may have "at one time". My point is that no-one has done it in this post 9/11 era. Like I said, an obvious sign of recruiting problems.

Classes are still filling up in MEM. And from what I hear, there are still lots of candidates showing up for interviews knowing about the no pay and no lodging. What are your sources?

Rook

 

[donaldd]

It was not even 2 months ago when they had several new hire classes start with only half of the class showing up for training. Think about it......those who had interviewed, been hired, and accepted the job. Then deciding at the last minute it wasn't worth it. Not to mention most of the INDY Air guys quitting. Those are the facts. The word is out on the street about Pinnacle. It doesn't take a genius to figure out if Pinnacle is putting an ad in USA Today for pilots, then they might be having a problem recruiting qualified applicants. Believe me, in this day and age there are PLENTY of qualified applicants out there.

 

[Rook]

It was not even 2 months ago when they had several new hire classes start with only half of the class showing up for training. Think about it......those who had interviewed, been hired, and accepted the job. Then deciding at the last minute it wasn't worth it. Not to mention most of the INDY Air guys quitting. Those are the facts. The word is out on the street about Pinnacle. It doesn't take a genius to figure out if Pinnacle is putting an ad in USA Today for pilots, then they might be having a problem recruiting qualified applicants. Believe me, in this day and age there are PLENTY of qualified applicants out there.

Well being in DTW I have no idea who's showing up for class and who isn't so if you have those facts then I've been educated. When I heard about the USA Today ad(havent actually seen it) I just used it for more ammo during contract negotiations. Seeing how the company has money to burn like that and all. But when I did my last PC (March)the training center was running rampant with all the newbies. It's my understanding that guys are still interviewing like mad. The no pay and no housing isn't something new here. And years ago 9E was PFT and there were still people lining up for the job. Don since this isn't something new why do you think that people are still lining up to interview? Not being paid sucks. Not having lodging sucks. This is something that we are hoping will change. But the bottom line is that as long as there are folks (Naive or not) willing to go without the aforementioned just to sit in a shiny new CRJ, the company will not change this policy. I do agree that this is a problem but this is out of my control. Right now we're just trying to make the company as good as possible. (From a flight operations standpoint)

Rook

 

[CapnVegetto]

My friend that works in the training dept. says that Kim has told him that they can't even get resumes from qualified people now. I think it'd help if they started paying in training and provided a hotel, but as of now, they can't get qualified people to come work for them when they can go to skywest, expressjet, or somewhere better. There may be a lot of pilots looking for jobs, but almost every single regional is hiring right now, and with no pay, no anything till a checkride is passed, 9E is at the bottom of most people's list.