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Pinnacle APU usage crackdown.

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Crowing Rooster

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Pinnacle APU use crackdown.

In light of the recent memo on APU use…

CFM 4-16 “In event that external ground equipment is not available, the APU is used.”
and
FOM 9-55 “If ground air is not available, the APU, if available, may be used.”

There are those in management that take this to mean that if there is working power and the jet bridge has working air then the APU is not to be used because they are available. PACKS should be on the tenth stage bleeds all the way to the gate. Leave one engine running until external power is hooked up. Then shut remaining engine down and hope external air is hooked up.

I have a problem with that interpretation of available.

At the hub, say the flight lands early or on time. With engines at idle power, the 10th stage bleed is hardly enough to drive the packs. Meanwhile, due to body heat and the summer sun beating down on the fuselage, the cabin temperature rises to 30C and higher.

To add to the sauna like atmosphere, there is a minimal 15 minute wait for a gate and/or a wait for ramp personnel to park the aircraft. All the while in the back tempers are rising with the temperature as this once on time flight blocks in late and the passengers are sweating weather they are going to make connections. This is unacceptable.

Keep in mind on page 9-55 of the FOM it is written that “Cabin temperature should normally be maintained between 4.4C and 21.1C…Ground air …primary source….” “If ground air is not available, the APU…, may be used.”

And also keep in mind…

On page 4-101 of the CFM it is also written “The APU or external air is used if the OAT is less than 40F or greater than 70F.” “If external power is available and the APU is running, the crew shuts down the APU when external power is connected to the aircraft.”

Now if we are to maintain acceptable cabin temperatures it seems we need to utilize the APU until both external power and external air are connected. The definition of available in this case would mean available for use on the aircraft, when the passengers can benefit. After all, are not the passengers what this business is about?
 
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Look at it this way: While you're taxiing in, and until it's hooked up and running, it isn't "available." Fire it up! ;)
 
P!ss on management. I'm running that APU from 10000 to the gate and all the way to the after takeoff checks....the 200 gets too hot otherwise.
 
Seriously, go sit in 13A on a hot summer day with a LGA ground stop. I wouldn't even do that to David White.

Mostly because DW would be in 13A and B! Ha! :)
 
Well, as a Captain you are responsible for the safety of your passengers. Seems to me that would mandate running the APU for air-conditioning while waiting for a gate.
 
******************** that ********************, I start the APU as soon as I get to the aircraft. Half the time the External Air is (too warm in the summer time OR freezing cold in the winter time). And when I call ops, it takes them 10 ********************ing minutes to either connect it or disconnect it.

I look at is this way, Airlines were going bankrupt when oil was $20, $40, $60, $80, $100, $120 dollars a barrel so they will always go bankrupt and ask for concessions. Run those APU"s boys and girls and keep yourself and the pax confy!!! You are PIC, if you determine that you need it, use it....
 
Flying out of Florida, half the time you can have the APU running on a 30 minute turn and the cabin will still reach 36 C.
 
If they're that anal about the APU, then fine, taxi in on both with one in reverse at 30% to keep the 10th stage pressure up, and when stopped, run 'em both up to at least the mid 70s N2 for enough duct pressure.
 
every pinnacle pilot needs to run the APU from the time they get to the a/c (try to get there a couple hours early) until 10000 ft, and then from 10000 ft till you have to leave the a/c. If they want to reduce apu usage they can sign a f(*&*&^ contract!
 
The only appropriate response to this memo is to burn the b*tch all day long.
 
every pinnacle pilot needs to run the APU from the time they get to the a/c (try to get there a couple hours early) until 10000 ft, and then from 10000 ft till you have to leave the a/c. If they want to reduce apu usage they can sign a f(*&*&^ contract!

Too bad most Captains I fly with want to "help the company" when it comes to APU usage.

wth?
 
Seriously, go sit in 13A on a hot summer day with a LGA ground stop. I wouldn't even do that to David White.

Mostly because DW would be in 13A and B! Ha! :)

How is his sorry ass still on the seniority list anyway? There should be no contract signed until he is removed! How many consecutive months can you be on the "no fly" list anyway?
 
Too bad most Captains I fly with want to "help the company" when it comes to APU usage.

wth?

I've flown with a bunch of these tightwads lately. I don't get it. We sat at the gate in DTW for 20 minutes running an engine the other day before finally someone plugged it up. wth indeed. I guess some people are just a bit stubborn.

All winter in DTW the only aircraft (that I saw) that received ground air were the Mesaba -900's. I suspect it will be the same for the summer. It's like they're taught to treat Pinnacle flights like dogsh*t. Unless we specifically call ops and ask for ground power and/or air THEN go outside 10 minutes later and grab a ramper to actually do it then it won't happen.

It's not the fuel Pinnacle is concerned about, it's the APU cycles.
 
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When I went to work for the big Peanuckle my backround was corporate and running the APU was done only when needed (the boss was on board or would be shortly) keep costs down was paramount to keeping a job.

I mentioned to TM that the APU's were being used excessively, he said "we are not worried about APU usage, NW pays for the overhuals. OK.......

After a few of them came up for overhual and the costs were realized it suddenly became a problem.

Although I'm no longer at the big "P" if there I would look at APU usage the same as today, if the boss is on board run it.

Paying passenger's ARE the boss. Keepum happy and cool. :) Keep up the good work guy/gals and I wish you the best. :beer:
 
When I was there that had always been the policy. they enforced it in 2002-03 very heavily. They stressed not using the APU is that they are leased on the aircraft and the engines are not. It cost PCL more money to run the APU then to keep the engine spinning. Want increased airflow bump the thrust up on an engine.
 
The only time that should be done is if PT's dumb a$$ is on board in the summer so he can see how hot it gets.
 

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