Pinnacle adding a 4th sim.

[Smarta$$]

Pinnacle says it will be adding a 4th sim in about 8 weeks. They say this will not only help them get caught up, but also to grow if Pinnacle is successful in getting larger RJ's.

My question is, how can a single sim do both. If it helps us get caught up, then it would have to be a 200 sim. If if helps us grow with larger RJ's, then it would be a 700/900 sim.

Am I wrong about this? I did not think there was a 200/700/900 sim.

 

[ataopsdave]

Pinnacle says it will be adding a 4th sim in about 8 weeks. They say this will not only help them get caught up, but also to grow if Pinnacle is successful in getting larger RJ's.

My question is, how can a single sim do both. If it helps us get caught up, then it would have to be a 200 sim. If if helps us grow with larger RJ's, then it would be a 700/900 sim.

Am I wrong about this? I did not think there was a 200/700/900 sim.

I believe the sim can be programmed as both...when we were using the sim at STL FSI they had to get it certified as a 200 sim because it was a 700/900...my guess is that this is mainly for growth for the 700/900 because just last week I was told that Flight Safety would not add another sim because we have to guarantee that we would use it a certaing percentage of time and I was told that by September we would not need it...obviously they have made some kind of committment...I go back to the schoolhouse on Thursday so I will try and find out more because in reality when we have a normal training cycle we only use 2.5 sims and not even all 3 that we had...should be interesting

 

[viper548]

They can change them back and forth between CRJ 200, 700, and 900.

 

[Smarta$$]

They can change them back and forth between CRJ 200, 700, and 900.

Aren't the overhead panels completely different on the 700/900. I know they have very different systems and most have FADEC. How do they address the different switchs and controls of the 2 different set ups. Is it that they can be modified as need changes, but not inbetween lessons. I mean they cannot do a 200 lesson for 4 hours and then imediately to a 900 lesson. Is this correct. I understand that the performance and handling are just software, but there must be quite a bit of hardware to change out. No?

I wonder if this is a brand new sim or someone elses left overs. And if it used, who are we getting it from.

Either way, it sounds like 1 sim could serve both purposes. Good news for us.

 

[Top Gum]

Pinnacle says it will be adding a 4th sim in about 8 weeks.

Is this new sim to be up and running in 8 weeks? That seems to be a fast set up.

 

[CX880]

not only help them get caught up, but also to grow .

Hold the phone! Honey they got a new sim

 

[Smarta$$]

Is this new sim to be up and running in 8 weeks? That seems to be a fast set up.

Yes, I believe it is too be operational in 8 weeks. At least that is the way I read it. Someone was down there a week or two ago and said they were prepairing the floor for a new sim. So prep is underway.

 

[DrewBlows]

Aren't the overhead panels completely different on the 700/900. I know they have very different systems and most have FADEC. How do they address the different switchs and controls of the 2 different set ups. Is it that they can be modified as need changes, but not inbetween lessons. I mean they cannot do a 200 lesson for 4 hours and then imediately to a 900 lesson. Is this correct. I understand that the performance and handling are just software, but there must be quite a bit of hardware to change out. No?

I wonder if this is a brand new sim or someone elses left overs. And if it used, who are we getting it from.

Either way, it sounds like 1 sim could serve both purposes. Good news for us.

There's no way for a quick change. Several of the overhead panels are different, there are switch differences on the pedistal, and the thrust levers are different (the -700's are shorter). Not to mention the circuit breaker panels are completely different. The -700 only has two circuit breaker panels.

 

[another cfii]

Well, if you hear it here on FI, it must be true!!

 

[Skyjet]

A crj sim can be changed back and forth between a 200/700 sim in 4 hours, slc flightsafety does it all the time.

 

[Smarta$$]

Well, if you hear it here on FI, it must be true!!

What do you mean by this?

 

[viper548]

Aren't the overhead panels completely different on the 700/900. I know they have very different systems and most have FADEC. How do they address the different switchs and controls of the 2 different set ups. Is it that they can be modified as need changes, but not inbetween lessons. I mean they cannot do a 200 lesson for 4 hours and then imediately to a 900 lesson. Is this correct. I understand that the performance and handling are just software, but there must be quite a bit of hardware to change out. No?

I wonder if this is a brand new sim or someone elses left overs. And if it used, who are we getting it from.

Either way, it sounds like 1 sim could serve both purposes. Good news for us.

They swich out the overhead panels, thrust levers, re-program it to fly like a -700, etc and it's a 700/900 sim. It only takes a few hours to do.

 

[mynameisjim]

I've seen sims blocked off the schedule for conversion before. It only takes one sim period to convert.

 

[bertengineer]

You are saying the Pinnacle is getting the new 4th sim. It is flight safety, not Pinnacle. A new 4th sim is going to go into the empty slot, that 9E can buy time in, as well ans every other carrier out there...but it is not PINNACLE's sim!

 

[redflyer65]

Yes it is technically a Flight Safety sim. But PCL gets first right on ALL the time at the MEM location. And pretty much pre-purchases about 90-95% of the time on those 3 sims. I'd say it's closer to 100% lately. They just recently bought the back-side of the clock too, which they normally only buy up to the 2am slot. I believe each sim has to be down about 1-2 hours per day for routing maintainence. So a 4th sim at the FSI Memphis location would make a lot of sense. Not really suprising though.

 

[Smarta$$]

You are saying the Pinnacle is getting the new 4th sim. It is flight safety, not Pinnacle. A new 4th sim is going to go into the empty slot, that 9E can buy time in, as well ans every other carrier out there...but it is not PINNACLE's sim!

Stupid post. Who cares! It is for our use, which is the entire point of it being placed there. Why don't you try to contribute something meaningful.

 

[dueguard1]

Beleive it when you se it Folks....For right now we're sending folks as far as CLT and STL after their ground schools to complete sim training.......and it's also a chance some new hires may be going to DEN.........CRJ 200 sim time is hard to come by right now (good for the industry, but a scheduling nightmare) besides that we can't even staff what we already have aircraft wise..................