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SFR said:
....I am actually a practicing Christian. I am not perfect by any means but I try to work at it. If Haiti is 90% Christian then I stand corrected and withdraw my first post. I assumed that it was a voo-doo culture.
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Do you "practice" by reading the word? "Love thy enemy" ring a bell? Its got to be one of the first things a new Christian reads.

If you don't know for certain that what you are saying is in line with the truth then keep your mouth shut and wait until you learn or take the time to look it up.

You just end up reflecting poorly upon Christ to those who don't know.

It does not matter what the majority of the Haitians are. They are people who need help, we are to help. Friend, enemy. It does not matter. It is not really our money anyhow.

"Donating" through U.S. gov't taxes is a joke.
The President is giving away money we don't have so our taxes are not going to pay for that.
We do far more with our charitable giving than the government could ever do.
 
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Mach 80 said:
>>>>You pay lip service to independence and self-sufficiency outside of government. Yet, when it comes to putting your money where your mouth is, you choose to depend on the government. It's all about the money, isn't it?<<<

I had no choice in the matter. The government takes a portion of my paycheck and I can't do anything about it. They take so much (and then waste so much of it) that it's rare that I let much else of my money go anywhere else other than providing for me and my familiy. The American people via the American government and military has given and is giving PLENTY, especially when you consider the millions over the years dumped in that rathole. Corruption and lawlessness has always reigned and it's prevented good, self-sufficient capitilism from ever taking hold. You know - teach a guy to fish instead of giving him fish and all that. Due to the earthquake, those people need special help right now and they are getting it as best as can be accomplished. The U.S. government is GIVING Haiti a LOT of help and I, through my taxes, already contributed plenty. The American government's generosity and help represents and IS my generosity and help. I gave at tax time and am done till I pay my taxes again in a couple of months.

Now, while the opportunity presents itself, the U.S. needs to get a decent government set-up there, get companies to put a few factories down there to create decent jobs, (you and the unions here would scream though) and get some good law enforcement there to shut down the gangs and corruption. It'll never happen though and Haiti will go back to being the lost, chaotic, pathetic place it's been ever since they got their independence 200 years ago and their hand will always be out again again for my money via the U.S. government and nothing changes for the better because the leaders of Haiti and their lieutenants never allow it because they're more interested in enriching themselves and paying off gangs to do their dirty work.
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Sounds like Detroit, D.C. and a lot of other urban areas in the United States. The more money we throw at it the more corrupt and ineffective it becomes.

I'm sympathetic to the plight of Haiti, but I agree with Mach 80. My hard earned tax dollars are already being used to help via the humanitarian aid being rendered by the U.S. military. I believe that aid to be the most effective available to solve the near term crisis. I have no confidence that any money I contribute will be used to solve the short term problem of food, water, shelter and medical aid. If I thought it would make a difference I would gladly contribute.

Once again the Great Satan is taking the lead on getting something done whenever any major humanitarian effort is required. I don't see Al Qeada, China, Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea, Russia or anybody else ponying up. As ususal it's the United States doing the lion's share of the effort. Even the U.N. effort is mainly a product of U.S. dollars and U.S. troops.
 
Caveman said:
Sounds like Detroit, D.C. and a lot of other urban areas in the United States. The more money we throw at it the more corrupt and ineffective it becomes.

I'm sympathetic to the plight of Haiti, but I agree with Mach 80. My hard earned tax dollars are already being used to help via the humanitarian aid being rendered by the U.S. military. I believe that aid to be the most effective available to solve the near term crisis. I have no confidence that any money I contribute will be used to solve the short term problem of food, water, shelter and medical aid. If I thought it would make a difference I would gladly contribute.

Once again the Great Satan is taking the lead on getting something done whenever any major humanitarian effort is required. I don't see Al Qeada, China, Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea, Russia or anybody else ponying up. As ususal it's the United States doing the lion's share of the effort. Even the U.N. effort is mainly a product of U.S. dollars and U.S. troops.
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You're just another one that is using this disaster to express your political agenda.

Where do you get spoon fed this crap? Rush Limbaugh? I question your perception of reality.

Yes, China and Russia are helping. North Korea? Are you kidding? Pick up a newspaper. Iran and Afghanistan are in no position to help. And bringing up Al Qeada is just plain stupid!

Yes, there are charities with whom your donations go directly to relief. Check the Forbes link in my previous post.

Instead of living in denial to bolster your political views, just take the blinders off for a minute.
 
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I don't have blinders on, you do. You think your $10 bucks is going to make a difference when in reality the Haitian people won't see a dime of it any time soon. If you want some immediate relief for Haiti support the U.S.military humanitarian effort. That's their best hope.

The U.S. and Americans are portrayed around the world as ignorant, self-serving, intrusive evil capitalists. Yet we are ALWAYS the first on the scene when anyone, anywhere needs help. We give more and more often than any other country on the planet, but we're the bad guys. I'm tired of it. If that's too political for you, too damn bad.
 
Sfr....

I hope that you are not being serious with your response? If you are truly a Christian, you will remember a few basic philosophies...

Number 1: do unto others, as you would have done unto yourself.

Number 2: god sent his only son to die for us, so that we might be saved...your general attitude and approach to life is confusing, if you truly are a "Christian".
 
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I don't have blinders on, you do. You think your $10 bucks is going to make a difference when in reality the Haitian people won't see a dime of it any time soon. If you want some immediate relief for Haiti support the U.S.military humanitarian effort. That's their best hope.
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I have blinders? OK, fine. Your opinion is duly noted. Now, (as I did) feel free to post links to some actual references instead of just talking out of your ass. Wow! Never mind. Since you were so correct:rolleyes: about China and Russia, and you were so in context with Al Qaeda, I'll just go ahead and take your words as gospel:rolleyes:.

hmmmm, supporting the US military's humanitarian effort? As in through your taxes? According to you and Mach80, I already do. I am fine with that. However, I am not the one that is just making stuff up or merely regurgitating excuses that has been spoon fed to me for not donating to NGO's. Whether or not you donate your money to charitable organizations is your business. However, don't mindlessly minimize the efficacy of donations from those who do......especially when you have zero real world understanding or knowledge on the subject.

Continue with your vacuum world of shallow politics if it makes you feel better. The earthquake victims in Haiti couldn't care less about your political views (or anyone's), nor should they.


The U.S. and Americans are portrayed around the world as ignorant, self-serving, intrusive evil capitalists. Yet we are ALWAYS the first on the scene when anyone, anywhere needs help. We give more and more often than any other country on the planet, but we're the bad guys. I'm tired of it. If that's too political for you, too damn bad.
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You and your ilk has everything to do with that portrayal. Well, I will give you one thing. At least you know yourself.
 
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Caveman said:
I don't have blinders on, you do. You think your $10 bucks is going to make a difference when in reality the Haitian people won't see a dime of it any time soon. If you want some immediate relief for Haiti support the U.S.military humanitarian effort. That's their best hope.
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So when your house burns down, or is destroyed by a tornado, she we just look at you as your neighbors and say, well, I pay taxes therefor you need to direct your attention to the government for help? Or would you rather me bring over some food, gift cards so you children can buy clothes, maybe a mattress to sleep on?

So if nobody pitched in, what would our military be carrying over to Haiti? There are a great number of organizations in the US that are taking donations to provide FOOD, Hospital supplies, Generators and so on. All that will be transported by the US Military and other private companies over to Haiti.

I am glad to see that UPS pilots have signed up to donate their time and pay for transport flights to and from Haiti.
 
What a bunch of cheap, pathetic weasels some of you people are. Human beings are suffering and dying and your response is "I've paid my taxes and that is enough". The 100 million that the government has given to Haiti amounts to a whopping 35 cents per American. So It's laughable that you feel you've already "paid your fair share".

If you have the means to donate, please do. If you do not have the means right now, then at least support those that do. If you have nothing better to say than to knock down those that are trying to help in any way that they can...then how about doing us all a favor and shut the F..k up.

What makes America great is how we react and help others in time of need. My most memorable missions in the military have been humanitarian relief. Imagine...using our power and resources to SAVE LIVES. I'd give anything to be flying missions there right now.
 
Sorry for the Thread Creep

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