Pilots with guns

[KFFA]

Has anybody had any first hand experience with pilots that can now carry guns in the cockpit? How was the class? Is it worth going through class with all the hassle? What gun is it p229? What about jump seating and commuting with it?

 

[skirt]

Hey dude,
While I may not be a big fan of packing, I don't think discussion about things like this should be on a public forum. You're asking questions about National security, so may I politely suggest you keep your questions off public forums.

Skirt

 

[Spur]

You're asking questions about National security, so may I politely suggest you keep your questions off public forums.

Skirt

Whatever...

The jumpseating and commuting policy has already been published, as well as details of the intensity of the class. Something like 1000 rounds/day. Plus some brutal close quarters unarmed/armed combat classes. As far as the type of weapon, it is a .40 but I too would like to know the specific type. If that is a national security issue I guess I'd better go put my T-37 Dash 1 in a safe and burn my ops limits/boldface test...

 

[GCD]

Except for the M-9's the Carter administration stuck us with, the official US Gov policy is buy American. Let me see...what US gunmaker has a .40 cal semiautomatic pistol?

I better lock-up my UH-1 and AH-1 -10's because they say classified on the covers. Even though you can buy one at almost any surplus store, complete with recent changes.

 

[Spur]

Well there must be a loophole, 'cause there are some Sigs and H&Ks running around. My favorite is SOCOMs H&K .45 ACP with 12 round magazine... I'd hate to be on the receiving end of that thing while trying to bust through the cockpit door.

 

[GCD]

I love the Sig, myself. When the US Army bid for the psitol was out in '79 & '80, I bought the Browning .45, which was actually made by Sig. Everyone was certain Browning would win the bid, but we know who actually got it.

I wish I hadn't sold it. It is a collector's item, now. A Browning .45 with "made by Sig Sauer" printed on it.

There are plenty of loopholes. That's why the C-23 is being shoved in the Army's face by Sen KKK Byrd. Shorts is made in Ireland, but the C-23 is considered an American product because it is reman'd in Virginia. They are actually taking Shorts 360's, chopping the tails off, then putting the 330 tails back on. Now, it is American made.

 

[klhoard]

National Security. . .

Whatever...

If that is a national security issue I guess I'd better go put my T-37 Dash 1 in a safe and burn my ops limits/boldface test...

Hey. . . . if you're not careful you could put an eye out with a T-37. . .

 

[dixieflyer]

Skirt,

I suspect you are some affirmative action female, if not you must really be an idiot.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Skirt,

I suspect you are some affirmative action female, if not you must really be an idiot.

dixieflyer WTF does affirmative action have to do with that post??? While I don't agree with her comment she is certainly entilted to it!! Can we as you put it "suspect" that by your callsign dixieflyer that you are some back woods country fuk clan member?? See where this went? totally not cool!!!

WD.

 

[UGApilotDAWG]

Good call Whiskey Driver-
I don't agree with Skirt, but that dixieflyer comment came from out of left field, heck from out of the bleachers! ...by the way he paid for my flight training as well as the Air Force dudes up at the top of the thread as well as his own (he made a point of letting us know he paid for his flight lessons...)

See where all this goofy message board name calling has gotten us...next thing ya know the ACLU will be sticking it's nose in our posts!

Keep common sense alive...somewhere!

Aloha,
Dixie DAWG

 

[sunburn]

Just wanted to jump in on this whole line of discussion, it actually brought a smile to my face. The perfect mix of sarcasim and truth. I appreciate Dixie for paying for my flight training (standard taxpayer burden) and welcome him to jump on the bandwagon. It's always been fun and games in the military (Oh wait, maybe it wasn't all fun-- let me brush the sand out of my tooth brush).

What ever happened to the whole stun gun idea. I know it was horrible (I keep having images of someone discharging the "shocker" next to the refueling truck, or even better, casually shocking an annoying passenger). Are we supposed to be getting any better pay for now packing heat and covering the job of an airmarshal? or is this a straight volunteer gig?

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Does anyone have anything to contribute that in any way addresses the original danm question?

And check skirts profile Dixie. She's probably been logging time since long before this liberal left coast affirmative action B.S. She'd probably be happy to take your candy a$$ to school if you'd ask nicely.

 

[dixieflyer]

As it was explained to me, the program lasts a week and the applicant has to pay for the class on their own. The class costs about $6000, plus you have to pay out of pocket for you hotel and meal expenses also. From what I was told, only the first class of 42 was allowed to waive the enrollment fee.

It looks like the feds still dont want us to carry firearms. So they have made the process so expensive and complicated that it will deter many form even applying.

As for Skirt taking me to school,.....only if she pays for it

 

[avrodriver]

Dixie....is this info posted somewhere? If this is all true then scr.ew that. I'm supposed to take the computer question thing tomorrow, but if this is how it's gonna be there no way I'm fighting my way through ATL traffic just to go to a even bigger screw job than the one I already have being a regional F/O. Thanks for intelligent post this time AD

 

[Wiskey Driver]

The cost of the training is covered by TSA, however the applicant has to pay for travel, lodgeing and associated expenses ie your food and drink. Check out the web site www.tsa.gov

WD.

 

[corytx]

what i understand...

First off, I don't work in the airline industry yet, I'm working on my PPL right now, but what I've been told by people that do work for airlines and TSA (no, not a screener) is that supposidly the gun of choice is a .40 Glock. Also, there is a special gov't load used that will kill a person, but won't have an exit wound.


BTW, haven't some pilots carried before? my sister was a FA and I thought I remember she telling me once that some pilots did carry a gun when they flew.

 

[KC-10 Driver]

There were a spate of hijackings in the '60's (mostly wackos trying to get to Cuba). After one hijacking gone very bad, one of the pilots was shot (and I think killed), there was a movement to arm flight crews. I think it did happen for some time.

Anyone have any more precise information? Specifically, what airline was involved in the shooting incident? I seem to recall it was a smaller regional airline.

 

[corytx]

There were a spate of hijackings in the '60's (mostly wackos trying to get to Cuba). After one hijacking gone very bad, one of the pilots was shot (and I think killed), there was a movement to arm flight crews. I think it did happen for some time.

Anyone have any more precise information? Specifically, what airline was involved in the shooting incident? I seem to recall it was a smaller regional airline.

It would be interesting to know the history of that incident. My sister was a FA from '98-'01. She left the company she worked for shortly after 9/11, but not because of fear, because she wasn't earning enough money. I thought it was interesting to hear that during her time she knew of pilots who carried guns.