Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Friendliest aviation Ccmmunity on the web
  • Modern site for PC's, Phones, Tablets - no 3rd party apps required
  • Ask questions, help others, promote aviation
  • Share the passion for aviation
  • Invite everyone to Flightinfo.com and let's have fun

pilots with bad attitudes

Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Modern secure site, no 3rd party apps required
  • Invite your friends
  • Share the passion of aviation
  • Friendliest aviation community on the web
You are ignoring the fundamental changes in the industry that have occurred since the boom of the late '90s. The difference is that now, unlike then, it is impossible to achieve a significant revenue premium. It is rare now that a business customer, the former bread and butter of the legacy carriers, is willing to walk up at the last minute and plunk down a couple grand for a last minute round trip. Pricing power in the industry has disappeared. If anything, it is the LCC's that set the prices that the legacy carriers must scramble to follow (on the low end, of course.) You seem to be implying that since you have a superior business model (right now you do), that what happens with your compensation and bennefits in the future is irrelevant. With this kind of thinking, it is my opinion that you will one day find yourself in a predicament similar to the one that the legacy carrier pilots and their companies find themselves in today. As I said, as your costs go up you gradually will become vulnerable to a new entrant with new employees, back loaded aircraft lease structures, and a little Wall Street hype to attract capital infusion. What was it that your CEO said in that USA Today interview several weeks ago? He said it was all about (quote) "costs, costs, costs." If you don't think that you are part of that equation, then someday you will have a rude awakening.
 
Last edited:
Mugs said:
You are ignoring the fundamental changes in the industry that have occurred since the boom of the late '90s. The difference is that now, unlike then, it is impossible to achieve a significant revenue premium. It is rare now that a business customer, the former bread and butter of the legacy carriers, is willing to walk up at the last minute and plunk down a couple grand for a last minute round trip. Pricing power in the industry has disappeared. If anything, it is the LCC's that set the prices that the legacy carriers must scramble to follow (on the low end, of course.) You seem to be implying that since you have a superior business model (right now you do), that what happens with your compensation and bennefits in the future is irrelevant. With this kind of thinking, it is my opinion that you will one day find yourself in a predicament similar to the one that the legacy carrier pilots and their companies find themselves in today. As I said, as your costs go up you gradually will become vulnerable to a new entrant with new employees, back loaded aircraft lease structures, and a little Wall Street hype to attract capital infusion. What was it that your CEO said in that USA Today interview several weeks ago? He said it was all about (quote) "costs, costs, costs." If you don't think that you are part of that equation, then someday you will have a rude awakening.
Mugs... I actually agree with some of what you just wrote here. I have ALWAYS stated that Major carriers were paying too much to SOME of their pilots on smaller aircraft. I know that isn't a popular thing to say in a room full of peers.... but regardless it is true. Maybe a B-737-200 Captain at Delta just can't justify $230.00 per hour. Maybe a 737-800, but not a -200. I know a B-717 that hold 117 passengers can't justify that, and shouldn't command that rate. I wish it could but its not practical.

And some of those Major pilot rates were a little unrealistic, especially if they rely on selling $2500.00 tickets.

I still contend that if you keep your costs in line with your model, you will be fine. And I still contend if you do that, you can pay a fair, yet capped wage to you employees. There will ALWAYS be a ceiling on any particular job... period, and if you break that... well guess what.

Just look at Southwest is all I can say.

Gotta go.... however..great perspective and dialogue from you as always.

Cheers.
 
I got an idea... why don't we all go to work and just do our jobs while leaving the editorials off the radio! You want to hear yourself ramble off a bunch of drivel? Then get a CB radio and have at it.
 
RightBettor said:
I got an idea... why don't we all go to work and just do our jobs while leaving the editorials off the radio! You want to hear yourself ramble off a bunch of drivel? Then get a CB radio and have at it.
I couldn't agree more. It's sooo lame hearing an ALG guy call us whore-tauqua on LGA ground the other day. Or having Eagle guys turn their lights on just as they turn to face us pulling onto the ramp in YYZ this morning.

Wow...you guys really showed us. Ya...showed us and everyone listening/watching what tools you are.
 

Latest resources

Back
Top Bottom